The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are…Here.

Undoubtedly, part of Obama’s foreign policy. Show them everything we have and then apologize for the audacity of building a superior weapons system. (how dare we!)

Oh, yeah, earl.
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The B-52 is the absolute TOP of our technology pyramid. Considering some of OUR pilots are flying the same aircraft their grand-dads flew.
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Maybe they can now show us their Bear and Bison aircraft. They’re only slightly older.

earljr, you have no concept of military relations. In 2007 I helped host a delegation of Chinese officers as they toured a C-17. Later that year they visited an aircraft carrier docked at Pearl Harbor, with none other than Admiral Fallon, PACOM commander, as their guide.

“…then apologize…”
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Outside of, perhaps, speaking of the absolute stupidity of some of the things the W administration did – which I know of no examples of, either – please send a link to when the president said words clearly indicating an apology or other type of clear remorse for US actions at anytime in history outside of slavery or the actions against native Americans.
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I bet that link is right there with your medical degree, your college degree and your high school diploma – non existent.
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This concept of Obama appologizing at all much less often is just a weird right wing thing I find strange and baffling.

patricksartor@1.2,
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Barack Hussein Obama chose France as the setting for his announcement to Europeans that “…there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”
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I wonder if June 6, 1944 was one of those times that America showed arrogance and was dismissive?

afguy@1.1,
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I wonder if the Taliban consider the B-52 to be too old?
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Language Warning Required. If your ears are delicate, pass this one by.

“…there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”
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That was Obama apologizing for W, not apologizing for America.
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Freedom Fries anybody?
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When I have spoken with immigrants or foreign tourists during the rare occasion the topic turns to politics I have apologized for W.
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The man was international humiliation for the US.

patricksartor@1.5,
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Sorry, Pat. That dog won’t hunt. Barack Hussein Obama made no mention of George W Bush in his address. He specifically said that America was “arrogant.” He was talking about us all.
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You are indeed a faithful acolyte of the “Marvelous O.”

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>> I wonder if the Taliban consider the B-52 to be too old?
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The B-52 can make a big bang… so could some of the huge railroad guns from WWI, but I don’t think that means that we should keep them secret from Russians!!

The B-52 *is* 60 years old and there’s no classified information concerning its design and construction. Any country with the technological skills and industrial might can build a fleet of them. As a result, I seriously doubt that letting “General-Colonel Alexander Nikolayevich Zelin, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Federation Air Force” sit in one is going to endanger the current balance, or lack there of, of power in the world.

Jeeze… this country is in three international conflicts, has serious economic and national budgetary problems, and people are gunna get their panties in a twist because some aging Russian general sits his ass in the cockpit of a B52 bomber??

get a grip people!!

driftingspecter,
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The difference is that a WW I railroad gun couldn’t put a round down someone’s chimney. If a 2000 lb from a B-52 has your name on it, it will be delivered to your door.

Who the heck was talking about it being too old to drop bombs, paulie?
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The discussion was about our giving away secrets because a Russian general was sitting in a 60 year old airplane that can carry loads of conventional bombs and drop them on target. It’s been doing that since the ’60s.
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if you’re gonna try to steal secrets, you would definitely want to get someone who isn’t older than dirt themselves into something that isn’t that old or older.
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In others words, get someone who knows the technology into something that has some technology to uncover in the first place.
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The B-52 has nothing to give away regarding streamlining or extreme performance. It’s a “dump truck” that was well-designed and has been well-maintained and its systems upgraded.
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Do try to keep up with the conversation.

For Pete’s sake, paulie.
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With precision munitions, the secret isn’t with the plane – it’s with the guidance system on the bomb itself.
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If you’re talking about carpet bombing using “dumb bombs”, you just drop lots of them for effect in the general area. You’re not even trying for a specific bomb on a specific target.

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>> The difference is that a WW I railroad gun couldn’t put
>> a round down someone’s chimney. If a 2000 lb from a
>> B-52 has your name on it, it will be delivered to your
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Uh… afguy is right. A B-52 can no more deliver a 2000 bomb to your chimney than most WWII era aircraft. It’s the guidance system in the bombs that does that. The technology in a B-52 is 60 years old. It can carpet bomb with the best of them, but face it, the machine has no secret or classified technology. No one’s gunna walk off with any secrets by sitting in the cockpit of one and more than if they planted their ass in a B-29.

driftingspecter@4,
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You are splitting hairs, specter. The B-52 not only delivers the advanced weapons but it can linger over the battlefield to be ready when needed. Death from above.

afguy@3.2,
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You are stating the obvious, afguy. It is the effectiveness of the weapons that now make B-52s available for ground support. There is probably not much call for carpet bombing in the mountains of Afghanistan.

afguy, the B-52 may be old, but it is still better than anything developed by the Russians. I have witnessed, first hand, the immense destructive capability of this proud lady and it is totally awesome. A concentration of dug in Taliban, estimated at several hundred, was reduced to bits of flesh and bone. The largest body part found, was a still smoldering torso.

@ 4.1…Give it up you clever idiot! You are arguing over nothing.

First, Earl, if you think that the plans for the B-52 are still unknown to any military in the world you’re absurdly naive.
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I bet with about two hours searching even you could find the designs for a B-52 online.
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Second, “The largest body part found, was a still smoldering torso.” I don’t want to hear about your sad stories failed necrophilia.
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Your necrophilia does sicken me.
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There is no way I am going to believe that you have ever practiced medicine, so, my only other option as to why you were checking out dead bodies is necrophilia.

Hey Wingnuts:

The B52 is very old news.

We hid that technology from the Nazis.

In reality, anybody with enough time on their hands will find the plans to a B 52.
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If it was a Stealth Bomber and the country was, say, Libya, not Russia – who has their own stealth bomber – you might have a point.

Paulie,
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Get real about Obama and Bush.
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It is considered rude to specifically name Bush and wingnuts like you who eat Freedom Fries and Freedom toast when talking about American arrogance.
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If he meant all Americans you would know this because he would have said all Americans.