Defense Secretary Déjà Vu

Donald Rumsfeld and Robert Gates / White House photo

It was whiplash Sunday as Defense Secretary Robert Gates was followed on ABC’s This Week broadcast by former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld. The contrast between the mild-mannered Gates, with his soft Kansas twang, and Rumsfeld’s Chicago staccato couldn’t be clearer. Rumsfeld, once again, seemed to prefer certitude (a measure of a person’s positive feeling about something), while Gates opted for certainty (a measure of the degree to which a process or development may be realized).

The Libyan rebels are on the move toward Tripoli, NATO is taking charge of the mission, and President Obama will hail that change-of-command in a national address Monday night. Even the cautious Gates seems confident that things are getting better in Libya, especially for the U.S. “We in the Department of Defense are already beginning to do our planning in terms of beginning to draw down resources,” he said, “first from support of the no-fly zone, and then from the humanitarian mission.” Barely a week into the mission over Libya and Gates is already talking about pulling out. As mentioned, the contrast with Rumsfeld was instructive.

It was interesting to see one Pentagon pooh-bah after the other (Rumsfeld was on peddling his autobiography). Gates seems comfortable with ambiguity – a career spy, he had to learn to leaven certainty with it — while Rumsfeld made clear he doesn’t care for the fog of war. “If you go into something with a confusion and ambiguity about what the mission is — and we’ve heard four or five different explanations about why we’re there — and that is the root of the problem is the confusion that comes from that; confusion about what the mission is; confusion about who the rebels are; confusion about whether or not Gaddafi should be left in power; confusion about what the command and control should be,” Rumsfeld explained, using “confusion” a half-dozen times, with an “ambiguity” on top.

Part of Gates’ embrace of uncertainty, of course, it that he currently is running the Pentagon. Yet that didn’t keep Rumsfeld from being sure of uncertainty – “We know where they are,” he said on the same show on Mar. 30, 2003 (eight years ago this week). He was referring, of course, to Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, which was the crowbar he and the Bush Administration had used to leverage the U.S. into war with Saddam Hussein 10 days earlier.

A couple more contrasting comments…

Rumsfeld on Gaddafi’s continued hold on power, and whether the war now underway should have his removal as a goal:

The most important question is whether or not Gaddafi will stay. If you put yourself in the shoes of the rebels, they wonder whether or not the coalition has an interest in Gaddafi leaving. And there’s a great deal of ambiguity about that. Gaddafi’s forces wonder whether or not Gaddafi will be leaving. And there’s that same time ambiguity affects their decision-making. And until that’s clarified, it seems to me, we’ll have a much more difficult time. I think that the goal has to be that Gaddafi leaves.

Gates on the same topic:

First of all, I think you don’t want ever to set a set of goals or a military mission where you can’t be confident of accomplishing your objectives. And as we have seen in the past, regime change is a very complicated business. It sometimes takes a long time.

Gates, when asked if the Libyan operation will be over by year’s end:

I don’t think anybody knows the answer to that.

Rumsfeld, when asked four months before the Iraq operation how long it would last:

I can’t tell you if the use of force in Iraq today would last five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn’t going to last any longer than that.

More than eight years after the U.S. invaded Iraq, there are close to 50,000 U.S. troops still there, and 4,441 who will never come home. You can look it up, if you want to be certain.

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  • michaelfury
  • http://www.124monkeys.com Sean DeCoursey forgot his password

    Several of my friends that served in Iraq and I still get together every day to celebrate the anniversary of Rumsfeld getting canned. What a waste of… pretty much any adjective works there actually.

  • libssd

    And as we have seen in the past, regime change is a very complicated business. It sometimes takes a long time.
    .
    I wonder if Gates’ comment went right over Rumsfeld’s head — he was clueless in 2003, and seems to have no better grasp of reality in 2011.
    .
    I love your comparison of certitude and certainty — that’s a keeper.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Cheeky finish MT.

  • geo1671

    Monster Donald Rumsfeld should not be seen in public but mopping washrooms and kitchens floors in a prison. 2 million innocent dead and 5000 dead Americans and counting.
    Why does NYT give this puke print exposure time? Hopefully he does not run for USA presidunce in 2012!

  • conversets

    As mentioned, the contrast with Rumsfeld was instructive.

    Given the 180 in the tone of this post compared to your other recent scribblings, Mr. Thompson, it appears you have been schooled.

  • tanboontee

    Whether it is certitude or certainty, it does not change the basic policy of the pentagon – intervene whenever and wherever the opportunity arises. The game continues.

    Meantime, forget about what or when will the endgame be. After all, does that really matter? (vzc1943)

  • apr2563

    Tell me why the Village news shows invite Rumsfeld on their shows? What possible wisdom does he have to offer?
    .
    Which of the interviewers will have the nerve to ask him if he doesn’t see the irony in the opinions he gives to others?
    Who will have the fortitude to ask him how many deaths he caused and what amount of US treasure did he loose?
    .
    What a sad waste of time. Rumsfeld hawks his book, Liberman and McCain make their regular appearances and hosts and pundits comment on horseraces and topics they know little about. Talking points are submitted and rarely challenged. The beltway echo chamber continues.

  • apr2563

    Mark, thank you for pointing out the difference between nuance and certitude.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    “More than eight years after the U.S. invaded Iraq, there are close to 50,000 U.S. troops still there, and 4,441 who will never come home. You can look it up, if you want to be certain.”

    Which is one of the reasons no one should believe a word the Obama administration says about Libya.

  • michaelfury

    “‘We know where they are,’ he said on the same show on Mar. 30, 2003″

    Perhaps he did know after all.

    “Auteur(s) / Author(s)
    DROLET Daniel W. (1) ; NELSON Joyce (2) ; TUCKER Christopher E. (1) ; ZACK Philip M. (1) ; NIXON Kerry (2) ; BOLIN Richard (1) ; JUDKINS Mark B. (2) ; FARMER James A. (2) ; WOLF Julie L. (1) ; GILL Stanley C. (1) ; BENDELE Raymond A. (1) ;

    Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
    (1) Gilead Sciences Inc., 2860 Wilderness Place, Boulder, CO 80301, ETATS-UNIS
    (2) Sierra Biomedical, 587 Dunn Circle, Sparks, NV 89431, ETATS-UNIS”

    “Rumsfeld served as Gilead (Research)’s chairman from 1997 until he joined the Bush administration in 2001, and he still holds a Gilead stake valued at between $5 million and $25 million, according to federal financial disclosures filed by Rumsfeld.”

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/culture-of-deception/

  • swissArmyBrainBETA

    some great juxtaposition MT thanks. commentary is hardly even needed

  • Cliff

    Wait, so why is the elderly war criminal still being featured on the Sunday shows?

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