Sunday in Libya: The Bombing Continues

The familiar trajectory of establishing a no-fly zone was confirmed anew Sunday morning, as U.S. defense officials declared U.S. and allied forces have degraded Libya’s air-defense network, even as attacks continue against surviving pieces of his plane-killing apparatus.

Nineteen U.S. warplanes on Sunday morning followed up on Saturday’s Tomahawk strikes. Everything from Air Force B-2 bombers, to F-15 and F-16 fighter-bombers, to ship-based Marine AV-8B Harrier jump-jets, hammered assorted Libyan targets, U.S. officials said. Four British Tornado jets also participated. Navy EA-18 Growlers scrambled Libyan electronic communications by to keep the skies as safe as possible for the bombing runs.

Adm. Mike Mullen said “operations yesterday went very well” on NBC’s Meet the Press. “I would say the no-fly zone is effectively in place,” Mullen added on CNN’s State of the Union. Vice Adm. William Gortney, director of the Pentagon’s joint staff, stressed at a Saturday briefing that no U.S. troops are on Libyan soil to help guide bombs to their aim points. “There has been no U.S. forces on the ground to do the targeting,” he said. “We don’t require people on the ground to develop the targets for the target.” Libyan TV said 48 people had been killed, and more than 150 wounded in the allied strikes. Mullen told CNN: “I’ve seen no reports of significant civilian casualties.”

Gaddafi, huddled in some bunker somewhere, telephoned Libyan television and declared the strikes were launched against his nation by “the new Nazis” and pledged “a long-drawn war.” He denounced the allied force as “terrorists” attacking a nation that did nothing to warrant such action. “You have proven to the world that you are not civilized, that you are terrorists — animals attacking a safe nation that did nothing against you.”

The U.S., for its part, has made clear its involvement in the conflict’s opening phase will be followed by a smaller, supporting role, as it lets France, Britain and Arab nations do the bulk of the fighting after the no-fly zone is fully in place. “We are on the leading edge of coalition operations where the United States…is in charge,” Gortney said. “In the coming days we intend to transition it to a coalition command.” But no Arab state has yet acknowledged playing a role in the two days’ worth of strikes.

Even as uncertainty about the mission’s outcome continued to bubble inside military and national-security circles, those commanding it seem united on one point: its goal is not to remove Gaddafi from power. It seems a strange objective to agree on, but Mullen said Gaddafi’s continued hold on power is “certainly potentially one outcome.” French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe, asked if the bombings are meant to drive Gaddafi from power, responded: “No. The plan is to help Libyans choose their future.”

Gortney also made clear that the allied campaign isn’t designed to cut off Gaddafi’s personal communication links, and said “no” when asked if that were part of the mission. “We’re focusing on the command and control of the integrated air and missile defense system,” he said.

Allowing Gaddafi to remain in power – after President Obama declared on March 3 that he “must leave” – seems likely only to prolong the confrontation. U.S. officials suggest the public declarations that Gaddafi’s ouster is not a goal of the Operational Odyssey Dawn gives the Libyan leader some wiggle room – although they’re betting he would be taken out, one way or another, by internal foes in the wake of the attacks.

As U.S. warplanes now buzzed over a third Muslim land, Obama acknowledged the danger such an operation entails. “I am deeply aware of the risks of any military action, no matter what limits we place on it,” he said Saturday. “But we can’t stand idly by when a tyrant tells his people that there will be no mercy.”

An Air Force lieutenant colonel weighed such a decision more than a decade ago, and warned future Presidents of the dangers in heading down this path. Jan-Marc Jouas authored No-Fly Zones: An Effective Use of Airpower Or Just a Lot of Noise? while a fellow at Harvard University’s Weatherhead Center for International Affairs in 1998:

The success of no-fly zones in minimizing U.S. casualties, signaling U.S. involvement, and executing U.S. policy will make them an attractive option in future scenarios – but not necessarily an easy one. The inherent danger, and thus the inherent tension, in choosing to enforce a no-fly zone lies in the unpredictable outcome of this policy. A political situation which calls for a limited use of force is by nature one in which the President and his advisors face a no-choice dilemma: they must take action, but they cannot resort to overwhelming power to achieve their objectives. Yet if the sanctioned nation reacts aggressively and forcefully to the presence of foreign aircraft in their airspace – no matter how limited – a no-fly zone may rapidly escalate to full-scale hostilities – the antithesis of a policy of limited force, low risk, and minimal casualties. Policy makers, therefore face an unenviable dichotomy – they must “do something” short of war, yet, for reasons they cannot control, a limited use of force may lead to war. This potential slide into conflict must be carefully and thoroughly considered when opting for action, and when selecting a no-fly zone over other possible demonstrations or implements of national power and will – such as economic or diplomatic sanctions and censures.

Jouas is now a major general based in Hawaii, in charge of U.S. Air Force operations over the Pacific. So he apparently knows what he’s talking about.

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  • jackhammer69

    Why does it seem that the tone of this article is cynical, and snarky??? Why does it always seem that certain people on the left want to criticize any military action at all? Even to the point of grasping at random straws. Often times in the first few days of a new military action you will see articles like this from liberal douche bag pacifists who are just throwing anything at the wall they can think of to criticize the action, and hoping that something sticks. Here we see two examples of failure:

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    The U.S., for its part, has made clear its involvement in the conflict’s opening phase will be followed by a smaller, supporting role, as it lets France, Britain and Arab nations do the bulk of the fighting after the no-fly zone is fully in place. … But no Arab state has yet acknowledged playing a role in the two days’ worth of strikes.

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    Ummmm, you just said the US would take the lead, then hand the lead over to “Arab nations” once the No Fly Zone is in place. But no Arab nation has acknowledged playing a role in the two days’ worth of strikes (to establish a no fly zone).
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    WTF???
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    We said they are not taking the lead right now. And you feel it is a contradiction that they are not taking the lead right now???
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    lol.
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    But the best part of this silly article is the attempt to criticize and oppose the action by pointing out a completely unrelated and outdated comment by a Lieutenant Colonel from 13 years ago, who was speculating that a powerful nation with the capability to escalate a war with us “to full-scale hostilities,” might do so.

    Yeah, China, Russia, some other nations might get pissed if we put a No Fly Zone over their land, and they might escalate a war over that. Sure. But Libya is not going to do that. They can’t. Q’Daffy has already maxed out his offensive capability, slaughtering his own people. He is not capable of escalating to full-scale hostilities with us.
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    So Jan-Marc Jouas’ comments are really not relevant here.
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    What’s Q’Daffy gonna do?? Send some more terrorists to blow up civilian airplanes??
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    Might he actually launch a retaliatory air strike on… Paris??? or Rome even????
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    Realistically, his best hope is to get lucky with a SAM or AA fire. And even that isn’t very likely.
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    Really. Dumacrat liberal douche bag pacifists need to realize we are doing the right thing here and we are the best in the world at it.
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    We should have done this a few weeks ago.

  • jackhammer69

    BTW, I got dibs on “Quagmire!!!”

  • jackhammer69

    “Allowing Gaddafi to remain in power – after President Obama declared on March 3 that he “must leave” – seems likely only to prolong the confrontation. “
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    ughhh.

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    Comments like that just make my head hurt.
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    That’s how the world works, you simpleton.
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    “As U.S. warplanes now buzzed over a third Muslim land,
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    Love it. Gotta keep reminding everyone of the endless, ever expanding, Imperial War, you know.
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    And “buzzed” is a terrible word to use, btw. Why not “zoomed” or “roared?”
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  • formerlyjames

    As you are confused over criticism of military action, I am just as confused over the right wing tendency to describe such doubt as unpatriotic or out of order.

    Further, your mention of even the possibility of no-fly zones applied to major military powers Russia and China reflects a less than full grasp of the concept. With those bad boys, much lesser action would buy you a war you really don’t want to imagine.

  • Jonathan Evans

    You might want to check your facts. Mark Thompson is not “on the left.” The coverage over the conflict in Libya and its potential repercussions has been very measured; furthermore, many conservative Republicans have been less-than-thrilled about the possibility of a new military commitment in Libya, so you might look to them if you want help slaking your thirst for military conflict.

  • allthingsinaname

    Democratize wars; reinstate the draft. Perhaps then we can take the left or right out of it, and put us in it.

  • http://mxschick.wordpress.com mxschick

    Anybody who has a family member directly involved in this fight, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, raise your hand.

    ::::Crickets::::::

    I wholeheartedly agree, allthings.

    Surely I exaggerate? Probably not. Thankfully I am retired and free from this well-intentioned road to Hell. Sadly my husband is not.
    Obama was damned if he did, damned if he didn’t, as with most things. I am still digesting the fact that I agree with Pat Buchanan, who keeps repeating, “What is our vital national interest?”

  • GivenUp

    This “dumacrat liberal douche bag pacifist” is oddly enough in mostly complete agreement with what you were saying about the article. The only concern will be mission creep from the US side, and Obama has made that difficult by putting his commitment to zero ground forces out in the open.

  • http://avsecbostjan.wordpress.com avsecbostjan

    Obama is ready to act after country was already subjected to civil war and burned to the ground…after he implemented via United Nations prohibition of air space usage allowing use exclusively to Gaddafi’s air attacks and destruction of rebel army while at the same time prohibiting assistance from already liberated neighboring countries..and why !? Because rebel army didn’t tolerate Jewmerican corruption and therefore rebels needed to be destroyed to extend when those will seat at negotiation table with Jewmerica. LIBERATORS WILL ENSLAVE REBELS BY PUSHING FORWARD GREAT ISRAEL’S AGENDA AND OWN OIL $$

    Dear readers and those who of you who are supposedly journalists…reporters etc. While you are reading or reporting about petty shlt, real war is happening in front of your eyes and in our own country…this war which is already taking and is about to take even higher tall >> ON YOUR PERSONAL REAR<< is not something to ignore…or hesitate to inform as well others about it. Consider this to be your wake up call or face death.

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  • formerlyjames

    I also agree with allthings.
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    “Anybody who has a family member directly involved in this fight, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, raise your hand.” Now let’s take a vote of who was affected terribly by Viet Nam, fought by draftees, who would vote to repeat that disaster.

  • afguy

    I just keep having the feeling that the ones MOST enamoured of our involvement in another military event are the ones whose “life experiences” do not involve possibly getting “congratulated” for their immediate future personal participation in the form of a letter.
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    A “draft” wasn’t always something you got by leaving the door open…

  • sargonofakkad2011

    wow!! your crazy.

  • liberalmeltdown

    That would be me. What’s your point? Looks like it is that liberals aren’t participating. What a shock. It’s a volunteer army. Made up of people that believe in what they are doing. I am sure that is a shock to you.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Planes buzz to Thompson. They aren’t planes; they are jets. We haven’t used planes to drop bombs since? The Korean war?
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    Thompson thinks the West is on a new Crusade. He heard it from Gaddafi.

  • http://redstatedebate.wordpress.com redstatedebate
  • afguy

    Figures…
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    The military is composed of people who are dedicated to doing the best job they can for as long as they are a member.
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    Part of that job MAY require that they kill others in warfare. Not ALL or even a significant portion join because they just WANT to kill others. And all are aware that they may be on the receiving end of some of that death.
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    As for my point, there’s a BIG difference between (1) someone who enthusiastically supports an action in which their own countrymen may have to give their lives but are UNWILLING to take the plunge themselves. and (2) someone who does NOT support the activity and therefore doesn’t volunteer to go themselves.
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    Speaks volumes that you don’t see the difference. I realize that “my country right or wrong” has a nice ring to it, but there is such a thing as “principled opposition” to anything. It’s my position that we need more of that, not less.
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    “Principled opposition” doesn’t include “I had other priorities – I wanted to start my own business”, IMHO.
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    Therefore, I will admit that, in some cases, the “opposition” may be based on simply “self-preservation” or “greed”. THAT’s why I’m for “universal service” – everyone has to share in the potential danger – and NO Vietnam-style loopholes for college attendance or the well-connected.
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    I’m pretty certain that you would be a LOT less enthusiastic for many of thse little “adventures” if YOU or your children were one of the ones dodging shells and small-arms fire for the 4th deployment in an ill-defined mission.

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