Betting the Family in Korea

For more than a half-century, most U.S. troops headed to South Korea for one-year tours without their families, over concern that a sudden war would trap spouses and children in the “sea of fire” the North Koreans promised to unleash if provoked. But over the past several years, that policy has come to an end — just as tensions in the region are again increasing. Are the estimated 4,600 dependents now in South Korea at undue risk, and — if war were to break out — how much of a distraction would their presence in a war zone be to the 28,500 U.S. troops on the peninsula?

U.S. non-combatants practice fleeing South Korea / Air Force photo

The problem is exacerbated by the tight confines of any war between the Koreas. The North has about 13,000 artillery tubes within range of Seoul and most of the Americans in South Korea. Any Korean war game that triggers martial tits-for-tats could suddenly erupt into full-scale war with thousands of U.S. military dependents in the crossfire. North Korea “has the world’s largest artillery force that is positioned as far south as possible and that can rain on Seoul today,” U.S. Army General Walter Sharp, the commander of all U.S. forces in Korea, said in 2009.

The issue is heating up as South Korean President Lee Myung-bak takes a tougher line with the North. He’s reflecting a shift in South Korean public opinion since North Korea sunk a South Korean naval vessel in March, killing 46, and shelled a South Korean island, killing four, in November. He has loosened the rules of engagement — making it easier for Seoul’s forces to respond militarily to aggression from the North — and has said the next North Korean military strike would require a “powerful counterattack.” On Dec. 27 he warned the nation in a radio address: “Fear of war is never helpful in preventing war.”

In light of the increasing banging of Korean war drums, is it time to halt — and maybe reverse — the flow of U.S. dependents to Korea? “Given the circumstances, accompanied Korean tours need to end now,” argues Craig Hooper, a naval scholar in San Francisco. “Get the dependents out, and get ‘em out today. In Korea, full-bore modern conflict is always just a few artillery shots away.”

But Sharp, the U.S. commander, disagrees. “There is no reason that families should not be together here in Korea, one of the world’s most vibrant and dynamic societies,” he said Dec. 15. “Ultimately, the ROK-U.S. Alliance is a relationship between two peoples and by bringing more families to Korea I believe we will build stronger bonds between our countries.”

Sharp has championed a plan to build more housing, schools and other facilities so that all 14,000 married troops will be able to bring their families with them to South Korea for three-year tours by 2020. He likes the stability and reduced stress offered by longer, accompanied tours and their resulting greatly-reduced training requirements.

But the U.S. military has always been concerned about its ability to evacuate families if war breaks out. That’s why it’s moving Army units to a major post south of Seoul — away from North Korean artillery tubes — and close to a major transportation hub. It drills for such an eventuality twice a year, down to planning for what to bring (“3 days food/water”), what to do about pets (“pets are considered family members…pets cannot be abandoned”) and gas masks for adults, kids and infants.

But Hooper isn’t impressed. “Noncombatant evacuation plans are, at this point, unrealistic, underfunded and under-resourced,” he maintains. “Given North Korea’s propensity for chemical, biological and nuclear weaponry, America — and the rest of the region — is unprepared to handle wounded, contaminated, and possibly infectious refugees.”

As the South Koreans have resumed military drills close to the North, U.S. officials have expressed concern that the situation could quickly escalate. “If North Korea were to react to that in a negative way and fire back at those firing positions on the islands, that would start potentially a chain reaction of firing and counter-firing,” Marine General James Cartwright, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs, said Dec. 16. “What you don’t want to have happen out of that is for us to lose control of the escalation. That’s the concern.”

Cartwright’s comments came 24 hours after General Sharp told that audience in a Seoul hotel that “there is no greater signal of our confidence in the importance and capability of the alliance than the presence of our families now and in the future.” Here’s hoping both Koreas see the gathering presence of American spouses, teen-agers, toddlers and babies on the peninsula as the ultimate in human shields.

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  • Ivy_B

    OT, but when I went to read this, that @#$% ad came up that grays out the whole screen then a video with a woman in a green dress begins and I click it off. That ad irritates me more than almost any that have been here. When a new one of the normal type appears, I watch it once or twice even if I have no interest in the product, because I think that’s what gives us free access, but I will not watch that video one. Just FYI, high sheriffs.

    Now I’ll go back and read the article.

  • apr2563

    Ivy_B: Add my voice to yours about that annoying ad. It takes a while for the video to download so one can click it off. It pops up far too often. I have never watched it.

  • newfreedomblog

    Let’s see. We have military men and women on the front lines in a potentially hostile part of the world putting their lives on the line. They have to also worry about family who are nearby in Seoul.
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    And IvyB and april2563 are concerned about a stupid pop-up ad on this website? Yes indeedy. There you have it folks.
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    Wow. Imagine that!

  • kbanginmotown

    Thursday, December 30, 2010.

  • pelhamite1

    The situation in Korea has always been one in which the stakes for the South Koreans is dramatically different than they are for us. Whereas our concerns there, while legtimate, tend toward such high altitude concepts as “maintaining credibility” and “containment” their concern was more along the line of the more mundane “keep our main city and its inhabitants from being incinerated.” The result is that we have been a little more willing to risk nuclear holocaust than they have been, a source of considerable tension, especially in those years when the White house in inhabited by a President viewed as a little triggter happy.

    .

    The Germans, for many years, were in a similar sitaution, and they hated us for it. A German friend of mine once said to me “It is hard to describe how annoying it is to hear the phrase “sucessfully limited nuclear exchange” knowing that what is meant is “sucessfully limited to our country”.

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    So if the “stakes” for the US are increased to include a few (more) flesh and blood Americans, perhaps that is not a bad thing. Any conversation about the Korean situation must begin with the uncomfortable fact that Seoul is rather unbelievably close to the 38th parallell, which is to say that it is a situation in which patience is more important here than in any other tesnion point in the world.

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  • nflfoghorn

    Guess it’s not a simple task to take out the dictator(s) and form one government, is it?

  • nflfoghorn

    Troll-feeding?

  • earljr1

    They could care less about our troops (or their families) newfreedom. Personal convenience and entitlement top their priority list….national defense? Not so much. Protecting our borders? Nah….invite them all in….give them a free education and health care, while you are at it. Remember, april is a Maxine Waters advocate, so what does this tell you about her mental state? Plus the fact she expects to go quietly into the good night, munching her stash of marijuana and escorted by puff, the magic dragon to where all old hippies spend eternity. (good luck with that, april)

  • newfreedomblog

    LOL @ foghorn. You are one of the biggest trolls on this site.
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    Enjoy buddy-boy.

  • pelhamite1

    You stay classy, earl jr.

  • newfreedomblog

    “So if the “stakes” for the US are increased to include a few (more) flesh and blood Americans, perhaps that is not a bad thing.”
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    Easily said when it is not your butt on the line or any of your family. Isn’t that right pehamite?
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    You people are truly disgusting. Enough said.

  • pelhamite1

    On the contrary, A$$wipe, I think I would feel the same way even if my niece, currently serving as a captain in the Marines in Afghanistan, were serving in Korea instead. I am more than conscious of the sacrifices and risks that military families run – the point is that we need to be conscious that same risks are being run by the non-military families of South Korea.

    You, sir, are a prophylactic.

  • newfreedomblog

    “Remember, april is a Maxine Waters advocate”

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    Good ‘ol Maxine is definately a hot button for ‘ol April. When I posted Maxy making her socialist claims on youtube video, April had a meltdown. She called me…..wait…..wait…..wait…..a Racist!!! LOL
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    Let me repost Maxy-girl again. I love hearing her stammering on the word socialism, like a two-bit whore over the price of a bj.
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  • apr2563

    earljr proves again why he would be the last “doctor” I would want overseeing my medical needs. He has the bedside manner and compassion of a malignant robot. Since I mentioned I had a advance directive and hoped to go gently into the good night with the help of marijuana if needed, he has made a point of being as nasty as he can.
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    By the way, I haven’t had a joint in over 25 years. Never enjoyed pot much. But, if it gives me or others pain relief than bring me the bong.
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    If he and others want to portray me as an “old hag” that is their privledge. I look inward at people. I note many people who post here are smart and don’t resort to personal epithets. I have too often let myself be provoked into the snarky dialogue.
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    I am proud of my love of my country and reject the stereotype of liberals by the right. Members of my family have sacrificed their lives in the service of this country, as have many liberals.
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    I am a “real” American. I believe in diversity, the rights of all, the rule of law, the wisdom of our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and social justice:
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    “Most men worry about their own bellies, and other people’s souls, when we all ought to be worried abut our own souls, and other people’s bellies”
    Rabbi Salanter

  • newfreedomblog

    LOL@peehamite.
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    I suppose I’ll take that as a compliment. And, I suppose being a “prophylactic” or even wearing one is better than a nimrod like you who sucks out the contents from the used ones.
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    Come on you can do better than that peehamite. Impress us more with your valuable libtarded insight.
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    But, what can we expect from our libtarded friends on the left. They advocate using our fellow countrymen just like the terrorists do, as human shields. Imagine that. A liberal who advocates for terrorist tactics. Next thing you might read is peehamite advocating for a Mosque at Ground Zero too!!

  • newfreedomblog

    Bravo April!! Bravo!!
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    I guess since we only called you “ol April, and you have described yourself as an “old Hag” we can now dispense with just alluding the fact you are old and senile.
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    We can just call you an Old Libtarded Pot Smoking Hag.
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    Just for you April “the Old Hag”.
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  • nflfoghorn

    “You are one of the biggest trolls on this site”
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    Pot, I’d like you to meet my friend Cauldron.

  • nflfoghorn

    Hey RustFreep, what are the odds that those who didn’t click on your FIRST Flox link to Maxine Waters will do so on the second one?

  • earljr1

    “Malignant robot”…now, that is a new one! “lying eyes” was her last shot across my bow and this because I had the audacity to say that we admitted over 100 Canadians to our hospital for surgery. They came to us because the Canadian health care system had them on a waiting list for up to six months. How dare I dispute her fondness for socialized medicine. She and Maxine will fight us every step of the way to achieve that social valhalla, but guess what april? the Nov. 2nd election show you and good ole Maxine holding the short end of the stick……now get back to those wonderful “munchies” you so lovingly described.

  • apr2563

    Quoting newrusty 12/30/2010 Afternoon Reads

    16.12 Good job april2563. Calling all conservatives Nazis, but yet you are offended by a totally innocuous remark by me in comment and then label me a racist.
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    Yea baby, you are the woman no doubt. The perfect representation of exactly why libtards in this country are going down so fast they can’t even keep tabs on how fast.
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    The only defense libtards like you have is to call someone a racist and run away.
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    Again, OLD feminist hags like you should be shut away in some vile nursing home. Hopefully that will be you lot in life soon.

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    Now I will return to what I managed to do for a long time, ignore the sophmoric (make that junior high or frat boy) comments from most of those on the right here.
    I find myself too often indulging in name calling. I prefer to dialogue with people who have something to contribute.

  • earljr1

    Just for you, april: “The souls of the righteous are in the hand of God, and there shall be no torment touch them”

  • pelhamite1

    In high school, in college and increasingly on the web, one comes across people such as you, Rusty, who seem to live not to argue, not to engage, most of all, not to learn but rather to goad, to insult, to evoke outrage. I take it, really, as a desperate cry for attention, even though I respond to it far more often than I ought to. I think I am going to call it “Breitbart Syndrome” since Andrew Breitbart is one of the better manifestations of the condition (and one who kinda/sorta makes it “work”, unlike you and your ilk).

    But surely you must realize that you and your fellow trolls do nothing but make your right wing ideology look like the ravings of pathetic losers, representing nothng but rage, resentment and fear. Which is a shame, really, because conservatism, rightly done, can be a positive element of any real debate. But what you and freep and earljr are peddling is not conservatism as I have known it; it is nihilsm, and it is all too indicative of diease that has turned the Republican Party into the repulsive entity that it has become.

  • Paul-no not that one

    The wingers are pretty restless.
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    RDW has gone nuts a few threads down.
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    The Physician keeps posting Maxine Waters video and has become fouler than even is typical for him.
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    It’s pretty fun scrolling through the comment sections but I do wonder, what has triggered them?

  • 53_3

    Don’t forget, earljr1 and rusty:
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    Before you take exclusive ownership of “love of country” and “patriotism” remember this:
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    It was Sarah Palin who informed us that North Korea was our ally!
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    Yup, the very same North Korea that is exposing those families to such grave danger.
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    As Goofy said, so succinctly:
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    A-hyuh! a-hyah! a-hyuh!

  • Ivy_B

    Sunspots?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Dunno.
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    I was thinking something to do with the end of the year.
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    One of the lesser ones is being swatted around by sacred down below.
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    Picking fights with sacred? Man something weird is going on.

  • 53_3

    and here, rusty and earljr1, is a gift from God for you:
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    ONE: ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.’

    TWO: ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’

    THREE: ‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.’

    FOUR: ‘Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.’

    FIVE: ‘Honor your father and your mother.’

    SIX: ‘You shall not murder.’

    SEVEN: ‘You shall not commit adultery.’

    EIGHT: ‘You shall not steal.’

    NINE: ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.’

    TEN: ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.’
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    I think both of you are definately having a “golden calf” moment…

  • square1

    Hmm. Can we all play this game?
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    Let’s see. We have military men and women on the front lines in a potentially hostile part of the world putting their lives on the line. They have to also worry about family who are nearby in Seoul.
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    And Earl and Rusty are concerned about Maxine Waters?
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    Yes indeedy. There you have it folks.
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    Wow. Imagine that!

  • nflfoghorn

    Perhaps Armageddon? It’s only 367 days off. ;)

  • newfreedomblog

    Well peehamite, just in case you are rather new, which I do not really recognize your name at all besides a few comments here in the recent weeks. I have been on this site commenting now for well into 3 years.
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    As a matter of fact, peehamite, I at one time was one of maybe two conservative voices offering a different spin and voice to this blatantly liberal blog site. Even the “Journalist” who posted here were nothing short of out of control when it came to their bias for anything and everything liberal.
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    But, the 3rd grade name calling you are pointing out so clearly, began a long time ago with various trolls, 53_3 being one of the ones who did it most. First it was mainly calling myself or anyone who agreed with me a quote “right-wing nut” end quote. That did not get me to move on to other venues, so the stakes were raised. Then it started with “ACK!!! You are a racist”. Well as you can see, I am still here. Proudly laying claim to my conservative roots and ideology.
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    No attempts to offer some type of peace or truce was accepted by my now aptly named LIBTARDS, so I said basically, screw them all. I am just playing their same 3rd grade name calling games, each and everytime I read one like april “the OLD hag”, Fatty Patty, IQ53, and the list goes on and on endlessly.
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    So my dear peehamite, that is your swampland history lesson. Perhaps you could simple do as you say. Ignore my comments. Because after this comment to you, you shall not hear another one from me unless it is to get down in the playground dirt just like you and act like a 3rd grader.
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    Have a great day mr peehamite.

  • newfreedomblog

    LOL I think I have really goaded po’ april the old hag. I better lighten up on her, she may stroke out on us.
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    Have a great day, april!!

  • newfreedomblog

    Yes indeedy. There you have it folks.

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    Would that be as opposed to pop-up ads which drive the Old Hag and IvyB crazy too?
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    Or perhaps you like peehamite’s explanation better. That

    “So if the “stakes” for the US are increased to include a few (more) flesh and blood Americans, perhaps that is not a bad thing.”

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    Personally, I believe peehamite’s went a little over the line, wanting American’s on the front lines as some sort of human sheilds just to prove some libtarded point I suppose, but pop-up ads?
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    Yes indeedy!!

  • newfreedomblog

    Tell ya what too, I do honestly believe good ‘ol Maxine she is one of the “real Amerikans” too. Just like good ‘ol April the Hag says she is.
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    LOL

  • nflfoghorn

    And with that I’m outa here. See ya in ’11.

  • earljr1

    Listen to the liberal fowl squawking…their roost has been disturbed. One of their hens gets plucked for being the hypocrite she is and now all of them are circling the barnyard. For whatever the reason, it is perfectly okay for them to toss hand grenades but when the favor is returned…squawk, squawk, squawk! You guys really ARE the best comedy in town. Who needs Librium when your everyday liberal serves the same purpose. The pharmaceutical industry should be taking note of this fact. (and be alarmed)

  • andrassuri

    You all (liberal and conservative alike) have the mentality and maturity of children. You’re the equivalent of high school kids only with better vocabulary, grammar and arguing about politics instead of Xboxes and Playstations. Looking at the timestamps I see this back and forth spanning half a day. Get a job or make your own damn blog.

    Also you’re all both wrong and right in different respects and none of you has spoken a word of absolute truth. I would say go into politics since you all seem so passionate about the subject, but I’m willing to bet it has more to do with inferiority complexes than it does with wanting to better the future.

    Losers.

  • Paul-no not that one

    You raise excellent points.
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    However when showing up to chastise adults as having the maturity of children following it up with name calling sort of undercuts your case.
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    That said, welcome.

  • Cliff

    You all (liberal and conservative alike) have the mentality and maturity of children….Losers.
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    Well played.

  • Cliff

    One of the lesser ones is being swatted around by sacred down below.
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    That is unusual, sacredh even gets along with freeper.
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    And I’ve noticed that every time rdw56 shows up in a thread he sh*ts all over it.
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    There’s a unique pleasure in scrolling past 10,000 of his words a day.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Cliff read 9.9 and 9.10 below.
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    I actually felt bad for husein11.

  • Cliff

    Ha ha!
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    I think I’m incapable of that much Internet Empathy.
    That was a masterful ass-handing sacredh delivered, and I don’t feel bad for husein11 at all.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Well to be honest I felt the kind of empathy one might have felt for Ernie Terrell.

  • andrassuri

    It would be name calling if it were baseless just as calling a conservative a Nazi is name-calling whereas calling a Nazi a Nazis a statement of fact.

    It’s nice to see only one word of that post got across with you people, internet anonymity allows for greater crassness AND ignorance apparently.

  • tanboontee

    If war does break out in Korean peninsula, could the US shed its responsibility of instigation?

    President Lee would not have acted tough without the full support of Washington. The US has only itself to blame if its citizens in South Korea suffer any casualty in the event of a fiery conflict.

    Please refrain from acting recklessly, all those overtly involved or covertly concerned. Other people’s lives are equally valuable if not more. (btt1943, vzc43)

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Could it be an attempt to hide their disappointment and fear? They have been discovering these past few weeks that their saviors, the tea party candidates voted into office aren’t everything they seemed. They’ve not even been sworn in yet and many have already shed their tea party cloaks. The posters are afraid. They have no place to turn. And to top it off, they know the tax cut deal that was passed is going to mean continuing bad news economically. And finally, Obama’s numbers keep going up.
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    Yes, indeed. All of this would have the scared little righties going nuts. It’s fun to watch.
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  • Paul-no not that one

    Is calling a troll a contributor name calling?
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    Is calling a troll a troll a statement of fact. Or, if you prefer, absolute truth?
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    Is using CAPS a sign of anything? If so what? I know my 9 year old niece uses that device.
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    So silly.

  • diecash1

    Beyond posting crass and holier-than-thou commentary chastising other posters here, precisely what have you contributed to this or any other discussion?
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    You’re free to scroll past any comments that offend your delicate sensibilities.
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    One more thing: Precisely what is an absolute truth? Maybe you can clarify that for all of us lesser mortals. BTW, get over yourself.

  • http://armor6.wordpress.com indianbrave

    It is irresponsible to continue to keep US military and state departmant dependents in S. Korea. Lessons learned for the previous conflict tell us that S.Korean civilians, in panic, will clog all land lines of communication heading south or out of the country.

  • ilikechips

    fat patrick. havent checked in her for awhile. do u realize how stupid u look. all u do is google. u dont know sh$t. Really stop embaressing yourself. i dont agree with SZ but he is intelligent and probly laughes at you. get a life and stop spending all your time on swampland. Have you seen the infomercial for P90X..it works. you should give it a try

  • chohkmah

    jesus newfie, get more butthurt about *someone calling you a bad name.* Certainly it warranted you launching into yet another longwinded diatribe… You sure as hell deserve anything anyone calls you considering the fountain of pure, undiluted bullsh!t that flows from your keyboard.

    As to what pel was saying, perhaps if you take a moment and consider his position before shifting into mindless feeding frenzy attack mode (difficult, I know), you’d sound slightly less… how do I put this delicately…. like a raving moron.

    He’s saying that it’s far too easy for Americans to make decisions affecting (or ending) millions of lives while we sit back from a safe distance using sterile, clinical language to mask the horror of it all. Perhaps we should have a bit more – yes, flesh and blood – invested when we make decisions about others’.

    I’m making an interesting leap here, a small experiment. Will you respond as you claim you truely wish to: reasonably? Or will you continue the pattern I’ve watched and rolled my eyes at for so long: either engage in a combo strawman/ad-hominem attack and completely ignore the actual intent of the message, or ignore entirely anything you cannot easily troll.

  • earljr1

    Another old hippie chimes in with her worthless two cents of liberal gibberish. Erie, you and april remain in an acute state of denial…too much weed in your youth, perhaps. Contrary to your incoherent rant, the accomplishments of our republican legislators made us quite proud. How much was accomplished prior to Nov.2nd under Harry and Nancy? It took McConnell and Boehner less than sixty days to clean up the democrats mess and pass meaningful legislation….the new wave of republican representation will deny liberal control of our government and this, above all, was what the election was all about. Are we scared as you so stupidly assert? Hardly…we can breathe a sigh of relief our government will be ruled from the center/right instead of the FAR left you and old april so desperately wished for. Now take you meds and go to bed….senior citizens need their rest.

  • chohkmah

    They very well may – and probably do – realize exactly what they are and what they evoke. They are not conservatives, they are as you put, nihilists, trolls.

    People for whom the ends do not justify the means, but for whom the ends are the means.

    The tactics employed and the reaction gained is its own reward. The troll lives to disrupt, to incite, and to break down community and civil bonds.

    Unfortunately, there is little that can be done to quell them. Feed them, and they grow (And yes guys, that mean calling them mean names… stop it.), ignore them, and they turn up the volume of the attacks for a while… but may eventually lose interest.

    The best solution is, once positively identified as such, is to ban them. Remove them from the site. Does that stop them from creating a new account and starting again? No, of course not. But then you repeat the process until they move on.

    It is sad that Time has allowed this blog to be so overrun by them. There is absolutely no moderation of these comments, and it severely degrades the quality of discussion due to these trolls **and the self-righteous responders who constantly feed their need for attention.**

    Swampland, enact and enforce moderation.

    Swamplanders, stop feeding the trolls.

    For the love of cherry pie…

  • chohkmah

    Personally I’d tend to blame less the country supporting a democratic ally defending herself,

    Than the bellicose irrationality coming from a regime that calls nuclear war “sacred” and purposefully holds millions of civillians hostage to their childish demands for 60+ years.

    ((P.S. In this instance, yes I’m talking about NKor, not NeoCons. After looking at it, I realized I needed to clarify))

  • hippooath

    Losers?
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    It wouldn’t exactly be the first thing I as an adult would tell my squabbling children. But whatever. Talk to the hand buddy ;)

  • chohkmah

    “do u realize how stupid u look.”

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    …….
    ………
    irony?

  • Art Pepper

    OT, but how do people feel about the military situation in Korea?

  • Cliff

    internet anonymity allows for greater crassness AND ignorance apparently
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    You got any more gems of wisdom like this?

  • Cliff

    And to top it off, they know the tax cut deal that was passed is going to mean continuing bad news economically.
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    eerie, I agree with your post except for that sentence.
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    Liberals (including myself) think this, economists think this, but conservatives…
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    Conservatives think tax cuts are a divine gift handed down from Jesus Christ himself.

  • Cliff

    Well, if you’re going to be a topic Nazi about it….
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    I say we sit back and wait for Baby Face Kim to drive the whole thing into the ground.

  • Paul-no not that one

    heh Good one Art.
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    I have no idea what the real situation is but Bill Richardson was just there and he has had a history of dealing with No. Korea. Maybe after pardoning Billy the Kid he can get back there.
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    It seems like more of the same bellicose nonsense from the No. Koreans but as I admit, I have no real idea.

  • 53_3

    I think the worst is over. For the first time in my memory, a hardnosed stand against North Korea was actually implemented.
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    It worked. Let’s make sure that South Korea doesn’t rub their noses in it, and things will be OK.
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    Obama made a good foreign policy decision. Something I don’t think anyone wants to point out.
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    Go Dawgs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 53_3

    so then don’t google? A-hyuh. A one-laugh goofy-ism is all this deserves.
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    We do it your way then? Never mind facts, just blurt something out and yell until it’s true?
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    Personally, I think you make an even better case for Google than Google itself….

  • 53_3

    This is pretty good rusty. You’re looking particularly stoopid today.
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    Might I say that there are more important things in this world going on that are more important than your hatred for Black Americans?
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    Just a thought…

  • 53_3

    Believe me, “rusty” is not the first incarnation of the person behind the screen name…

  • jastdi2

    Astounding! No one is addressing the article at all. (But I have been accused — properly — of taking Time posts as opportunities for serious discussion). Evacuating large numbers of women and children in the middle of a real war has to be thought about — seriously. The Plan (once called the Noncombattant Evacuation Order, or NEO in army-speak) has been around forever. It was around when I was a 9 year-old in Paris in ’51: we were to keep three-days worth of K-rations and a half a tank of gas in our car to make it to Cherbourg, where the modern Dunkirk fleet would save us. I was on duty as a cadet in Germany when the Wall went up and all thought WWIII was upon us. We cadets were to escort the wives of the officers who had graduated a year or so earlier to Cherbourg. For some reason, our comments of not to worry we’ll see your wives safely to the port didn’t elicit a lot of thank yous. As a junior officer the plan had changed in that we now had C-rations; as a senior officer we had MREs. No one ever had any faith in any of the plans but Europe is big, so there always was hope. Korea is small. Were I still serving in Korea with my family, NEO would be on my mind these days.

  • newfreedomblog
  • newfreedomblog

    Whatever IQ53. You and I have been down this road so many times. Big deal that you are still baselessly calling me a racist. As we found out as well this summer with all of the baseless attacks against the Tea Party as being so-called “racists”, a typical liberal response these days.
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    The when in doubt, fall back position for people like you is to call someone a racist. Gee whiz, how imaginative. Racist has now been relegated to the dictionary of ad-hominem attack words thanks to you and others of your kind. Water off a ducks back now.
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    By the way, I do believe Brietbart still has his 1/2 million or so reward for the first person to post a video of last spring’s protest of ObamaCare and any racist acts by Tea Party protesters. Did you find any yet? I would have figured you would have doctored up some video by now.
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    I know it hurts bad when someone of Ms Waters fame and claim admits on video she is a socialist. Definitely makes it very difficult to defend her.
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    Would you like some Van Jones vids? I can get you a ton of those too.

  • kbanginmotown

    Thanks, jastdi2.
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    I was actually hoping to see OregonJC on this thread to give us the view from up close.
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    Perhaps he can update us on 2011 in another hour or so… ;)

  • newfreedomblog

    Do you mean to say you do not agree that Americans, non-combatant Americans, should not be left on the Korean Peninsula as some type of human shield? Or some liberal notion we are not putting our own blood and flesh on the line when we take actions around the world? (Which is and has always been a fallacy and fantasy of the left for a long long time). Most liberals who think like that are against any action by America or believe it is “Imperialism” I do believe is their buzz word. Rather than the United States of America and her citizens simply doing what is right. To fight evil dictators like Kim Jung Il. Sadam Hussein. Adolf Hitler. Stalin.
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    Well that is definitely not a liberal notion what-so-ever.
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    It would kind of make sense to remove the families of our fighting men and women so that if things would get out of hand, they would not have the worry on their minds if their families were blown apart by bombs from North Korea.
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    Of course, we could just be upset that when you sign into swampland you encounter some type of pop-up ad. Did you encounter that pop-up ad too, jastdi2?

  • jastdi2

    Whatever are you talking about, newfreedomblog? It’s early yet. Some folks need to lay off the eggnog.

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    Two things need to happen. First, we withdraw all of our soldiers from South Korea so that none of them are in harm’s way and we can save some money. Second, we should cancel all Treasury bonds held by the South Korean government, as compensation for 60 plus years of our defending them.

  • 53_3

    Rusty @ 3.6:
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    Yes! I agree 100%!
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    Now, if you just stick to that method of interaction, we’ll all be able to get along…

  • 53_3

    It’s ok, rusty, your fame preceeds you. So much so that I no longer have the need to engage you on that issue.
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    You do a fine absolutely top-hole job of that without my help…

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