First Chinese Stealth Fighter Ready For Takeoff?

Stealth fighter or phantom menace it still offers a reminder that a disinterest in science education can over the long haul be fatal to a society. Something to think about next time someone claims that Climate Science is a hoax or that evolution is ‘just a theory’.

“that a disinterest in science education”
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Somehow you manage to confuse a “disinterest” in science with an outright failure of the wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party-labor unions. We spend more money on education per student than anyone and yet we rank 23rd in science and 31st in math.
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These numbers are more reflective as to how “global warming” becomes an accepted theory than how we have a disinterest in science.
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Speaking of evolution- if survival of the fittest is proven theory why do liberals always interfere with “endangered species” demands? Do you not beleive the theory or is it more liberal arrogance that they have they answer for everything?

Once again, we disagree less than you might think. Misunderstanding the fact that human activity is no more or less ‘natural’ than other facets of nature does indeed often lead to confused thinking. But one of the gifts of being human is the ability to extrapolate much further into the future than other creatures. If we can find ways to mitigate long term harm caused by short-term thinking, then it’s probably important that we do so.

Hey free, do you get flu shots ever year. Why? If there isn’t evolution of the flu virus, then one shot will do you for life. Quit taking them and save the $29 or Medicare paying the bill.

If you have farmer friends, ask them why Round-Up isn’t killing all the weeds any more?

Evolution is a naturally and continuing adaption of organisms to meet changing needs. I know that is over your head (neck, armpit?) but only the really stupid disbelieve in Global Warming and Evolution. Even some of the most religious 6000-year old earth believers, have some amazing explanations of how things happen.

The education comment is true-obviously it failed on you and how many years ago was that?

Realize that over 50% of the teachers in the country aren’t union and in the south, they are managed with what we call plantation-management style-do a good job and there will be an extra quarter an hour.

And if you don’t like unions, did you work Christmas or Saturday or Sunday. If you had the day off, thank the unions or you would still be working 60 hours a week for less than minimal wage. Come on down if you like that since Tyson is always looking for some quarter an hour people and you do have legal status, don’t you?

Also, a bad teacher won’t prevent someone from learning who wants to. But a culture that actually mocks intelligence and celebrates mediocrity and whose heroes are not the teachers but rather the athletes and the gangsters is not a culture thats on the rise. And our friends here at Time/Warner have as much to say about the direction we go as anyone you could care to point to.

“But one of the gifts of being human is the ability to extrapolate much further into the future than other creatures. If we can find ways to mitigate long term harm caused by short-term thinking, then it’s probably important that we do so”
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The key word is “extrapolate” which is French for guess.
The global warming crowd are now hiding behind the euphemism “climate change”. There are those scientists who fear a return to global cooling as we feared would happen in the 1970s (remember that extrapolation). The sudden drop in sunspots in the summer of 2007 could portend a return to pre-1850 temperature which doesn’t fit the meme being pushed for the past 10 years.
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If there is one thing that should give us pause about the climate models(?) is the snowstorm this past weekend. At 3:52am Sunday morning the weather center warned of 6-8 inches of snow starting at 7am (3 hours) for the Philadelphia area. It began to snow around 12:30pm and we received about 3-4 inches. This is a storm pattern that was followd for days and could not come within 5 1/2 hrs of a start time and off by 50% in accumulation. All based on models. Now we are to believe that these massaged global warming models will be more accurate 30 years out.
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The left needs another avenue to steal money from this country.

Oh please, Wonder Woman has had this technology since forever.

“Hey free, do you get flu shots ever year. Why? If there isn’t evolution of the flu virus, then one shot will do you for life.”
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First that is how humans survive putting it at the top of the food chain. Second, one shot for life would not work. Ever hear of a “booster shot”? Eventually they lose their effectiveness. But what I was speaking to was human intervention in the survival of the fittest. If you believe that to be true (and I do) how can you interfere with the survival of any species by placing it on the endangered species list? Who are you to decide which species lives in the theory of evolution?
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“but only the really stupid disbelieve in Global Warming”
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And this is what is passing for debate from the left. Try and silence the opponent. Speaking of stupidity in today’s NYT we have an article that now claims we have global warming and the hottest month and decade ever and it is causing (wait for it) record snow and global record low temperatures!
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Now as a hedge the left has ducked for cover under “global climate change”. Back in the 70s we had scientific proof(?) and screamed the sky was falling with global freezing (wrong) , now its global warming.
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As I said to Mr. Dirks, the left needs to find another way to steal money from the American people.
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“did you work Christmas”
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This is logic only a liberal can love. I bet the ACLU was off Christmas even though they sue everybody in sight over using the word Christmas, Christmas Carols or Nativity scenes.
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“they are managed with what we call plantation-management style-do a good job and there will be an extra quarter an hour.”
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Yes the merit system the scourge of liberals. The highest paid teachers (unions) also have the poorest performing students Check out DC public schools where we also spend the highest amount per student for failure. The teachers union are a roadblock to higher education or to use your vernacular only the stupid believe otherwise.

I agree in large part although I am somewhat surprised you blaming the victims. But you have to ask how much of their actions are caused by never having to be responsible for their lot in life and the left providing an never ending list of excuses as to whose fault it is?
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Times/Warner has an answer for everything but you have to consider its main business is journalism and it is failing. Not a great role model

“phantom menace”

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/blue-skies-from-pain/

Paul,

This seems rather general to me. If you’re saying its our culture which “mocks intelligence and celebrates mediocrity”, then how to explain why our universities consistently monopolize the top 100 rankings whereas China barely breaks in (usually just Beida).
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It’s one thing to rightly mock Sarah Palin, it’s another thing to generalize and say that we’ve all turned into Palin clones. More specifically, our issues with losing overwhelming S&T dominance lies within the problems ingrained within our basic education system, rather than a culture.
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But going back to the subject, this won’t be it, but we need a Sputnik moment, that’s for sure.

“Speaking of evolution- if survival of the fittest is proven theory why do liberals always interfere with “endangered species” demands? Do you not beleive the theory or is it more liberal arrogance that they have they answer for everything?”
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Only problem is that only fundamentalist totalitarians use it as a reason, rather than a fact. Hitler was a guy (rightie) who thought so anyways.
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I don’t know how anyone can confuse the ability for a species to adapt to new conditions and outright killing of them by another spieces due to the myth of fertility, longer laster erection or simply because it’s tasty. That’s not exactly evolution. That’s extinction.

In case any of you Bozo’s hadn’t noticed, the illiterate Eloi speak American. The Morlocks now speak Chinese.

Freakinpa,
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First, Global Warming means that the average temperature on the planet is increasing every year while climate change is the effect. It’s like HIV is an infection which results in AIDS the disease. Or, more commonly, the rhino virus is the infection while the common cold is the disease.
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Second, many times of the year it does not snow because the upper atmosphere is below 32 degrees Fahrenheit and can not hold any moisture for the lower atmosphere to turn into snow. That is why Washington DC gets more snow than Antarctica.
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Third, using your very flawed reasoning, when somebody tells you that Americans are older than ever before but you are in a maternity ward full of newborns that the average age of all of Americans is one day old. It is the median temperature over the whole planet over the whole year. So, just as being in a room full of newborn infants in a maternity ward in Philadelphia does not prove that average age in America is not getting older, cold spells do not prove that the average temperature over the planet over a one year period is not increasin.
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Keep in mind that these cold days are put into the average and, still, including these cold days with the Southern Hemisphere now in Summer and with our Hemisphere entering Summer six months from now, it averages a higher temperature.
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Evolution is a basic tenant of biology. Bacteria with the shortest lifespans and using more mutatable RNA rather than DNA evolves the quickest, but, ask your farmer friends about pesticides. One ought to use several different kinds because, by accident of evolution, somewhere between 0.1% and 3% of the insects are each immune to each of the pesticides. If you use, say, three, then it would only be 3% or 3% of 3% of the insects which will survive (27 out of one million) and, for becoming immune, these insects often pay a heavy price in terms of ability to reproduce and thrive.
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Your alternative theory, I guess, is that one time Episcopalian Seminarian Charles Darwin as well as Roman Catholic Monk, Gregor Mendel followed by tens of thousands of biologists over the next 150 years were closet Satan worshipers is pathetic.
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Your alternative theory that, at age 19 Al Gore began a 40 year conspiracy to create Global Warming so that he could become a sexy movie star after he divorced is as weak.
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Some Christian sects have their careers based upon every single word of the bible being the literal, not metaphorical truth and will push hard against science no matter what.
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Exxon Mobil, among others have all of their investments in incredibly expensive oil wells and oil refineries which will dramatically decrease in value if action to prevent climate change occurs. They will pay any price to hide the truth since the truth will cost them trillions of dollars.

“for a species to adapt to new conditions and outright killing of them by another spieces”
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Any idea how many are extinct by being killed by other animals or the Hitlers of the 4 legged world as you have deemed.? Hint: It’s more than one. But then liberals think they are god and can interfere as they see fit.
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Rev Jim: your usual tome of nonsense goes on and on while ignoring the fact that in the 70s, “scientists” and liberals warned us based on their science we were headed for global freezing. Forty years later its global warming. The cause remained the same humans, the goal extract money.
What is more likely to be occurring is a cycle. Problem with most models they become masters of trend line analysis.
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“Exxon Mobil, among others have all of their investments in incredibly expensive oil wells and oil refineries which will dramatically decrease in value if action to prevent climate change occurs”
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These were the same bad guys during global freezing. The only truth is liberals hate oil companies and their profits (if they can’t confiscate them). And I notice you back filling now with “climate change” vs “global warming” because despite all the “facts” from the left, its not clear so now they are heading for cover.

An interesting summary of “Global Warming” or “Climate Change” as our dear friends on the left who have been duped tend to agree is the new terminology.
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http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/monckton/monckton_what_hockey_stick.pdf
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Tree rings and computer models are the basis for the research data used by the global warming alarmists. Both are highly susceptible to manipulation, and only in theory, not reality.

“…ignoring the fact that in the 70s, “scientists” and liberals warned us based on their science we were headed for global freezing.”
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You’re view of science is so primitive that you are not aware of the known fact that there are multiple types of pollution.
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First, the earliest signs of global warming took place.
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Second, a detection in a hole in ozone layer took place due to the use of chlorofluorocarbons.
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“Ozone depletion describes two distinct, but related observations: a slow, steady decline of about 4% per decade in the total volume of ozone in Earth’s stratosphere (the ozone layer) since the late 1970s, and a much larger, but seasonal, decrease in stratospheric ozone over Earth’s polar regions during the same period. The latter phenomenon is commonly referred to as the ozone hole. In addition to this well-known stratospheric ozone depletion, there are also tropospheric ozone depletion events, which occur near the surface in polar regions during spring.
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Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) were invented by Thomas Midgley, Jr. in the 1920s. They were used in air conditioning/cooling units, as aerosol spray propellants prior to the 1980s, and in the cleaning processes of delicate electronic equipment. They also occur as by-products of some chemical processes. No significant natural sources have ever been identified for these compounds — their presence in the atmosphere is due almost entirely to human manufacture. As mentioned in the ozone cycle overview above, when such ozone-depleting chemicals reach the stratosphere, they are dissociated by ultraviolet light to release chlorine atoms. The chlorine atoms act as a catalyst, and each can break down tens of thousands of ozone molecules before being removed from the stratosphere. Given the longevity of CFC molecules, recovery times are measured in decades. It is calculated that a CFC molecule takes an average of 15 years to go from the ground level up to the upper atmosphere, and it can stay there for about a century, destroying up to one hundred thousand ozone molecules during that time.[12]
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Since the ozone layer absorbs UVB ultraviolet light from the Sun, ozone layer depletion is expected to increase surface UVB levels, which could lead to damage, including increases in skin cancer. This was the reason for the Montreal Protocol. Although decreases in stratospheric ozone are well-tied to CFCs and there are good theoretical reasons to believe that decreases in ozone will lead to increases in surface UVB, there is no direct observational evidence linking ozone depletion to higher incidence of skin cancer in human beings. This is partly because UVA, which has also been implicated in some forms of skin cancer, is not absorbed by ozone, and it is nearly impossible to control statistics for lifestyle changes in the populace.
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There are five areas of linkage between ozone depletion and global warming:
Radiative forcing from various greenhouse gases and other sources.

* The same CO2 radiative forcing that produces global warming is expected to cool the stratosphere.[63] This cooling, in turn, is expected to produce a relative increase in ozone (O3) depletion in polar area and the frequency of ozone holes.[64]
* Conversely, ozone depletion represents a radiative forcing of the climate system. There are two opposing effects: Reduced ozone causes the stratosphere to absorb less solar radiation, thus cooling the stratosphere while warming the troposphere; the resulting colder stratosphere emits less long-wave radiation downward, thus cooling the troposphere. Overall, the cooling dominates; the IPCC concludes that “observed stratospheric O3 losses over the past two decades have caused a negative forcing of the surface-troposphere system”[10] of about −0.15 ± 0.10 watts per square meter (W/m²).[65]
* One of the strongest predictions of the greenhouse effect is that the stratosphere will cool.[63] Although this cooling has been observed, it is not trivial to separate the effects of changes in the concentration of greenhouse gases and ozone depletion since both will lead to cooling. However, this can be done by numerical stratospheric modeling. Results from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory show that above 20 km (12.4 miles), the greenhouse gases dominate the cooling.[66]
* As noted under ‘Public Policy’, ozone depleting chemicals are also often greenhouse gases. The increases in concentrations of these chemicals have produced 0.34 ± 0.03 W/m² of radiative forcing, corresponding to about 14% of the total radiative forcing from increases in the concentrations of well-mixed greenhouse gases.[65]
* The long term modeling of the process, its measurement, study, design of theories and testing take decades to document, gain wide acceptance, and ultimately become the dominant paradigm. Several theories about the destruction of ozone were hypothesized in the 1980s, published in the late 1990s, and are currently being proven. Dr Drew Schindell, and Dr Paul Newman, NASA Goddard, proposed a theory in the late 1990s, using a SGI Origin 2000 supercomputer, that modeled ozone destruction, accounted for 78% of the ozone destroyed. Further refinement of that model accounted for 89% of the ozone destroyed, but pushed back the estimated recovery of the ozone hole from 75 years to 150 years. (An important part of that model is the lack of stratospheric flight due to depletion of fossil fuels.)”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
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Don’t you remember that in the 1960s you were aware of global warming and sang this little song about it?
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It was in the 1960s, so, I guess you were stoned when you recorded this and don’t remember it.
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You looked worse when you had your hair that long, too.

“Any idea how many are extinct by being killed by other animals or the Hitlers of the 4 legged world as you have deemed.? Hint: It’s more than one. But then liberals think they are god and can interfere as they see fit.”
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I very much doubt that any predator that made their prey extinct did so believing they were better than others made right by the idea that the strong survives.
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You seem to confuse the idea between adapting to new environments and the ability to mass murder something as ‘evolutionary’.
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Also – can you sound more ignorant than when you try to cornhole ‘liberal’ into every single dumb confusion you have about things?

Rusty,
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When I want to know about history, I go to a historian, not a politician.
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When I want to know about medicine, I go to a doctor, not Philip Morris.
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When I want to know about climate change I go to a Climatologist, not Exxon Mobil.
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“97% of climatologists say global warming is occurring and caused by humans.”
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http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0122-climate.html
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How good is 97%?
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“When Americans are asked to identify the country from which America gained its independence, 76% correctly name Great Britain. A handful, 2%, think America’s freedom was won from France, 3% mention some other country (including Russia, China, and Mexico, among others named), while 19% are unsure.

Groups that have higher degrees of self-reported patriotism (see Gallup’s Fourth of July release), such as older people and whites, are also more likely to correctly name the country from which America gained its independence. Only 66% of those aged 18-29 know that America gained its independence from England, compared to 79% of those aged 30 and older. The knowledge gap is even wider on the basis of gender and race:

* 85% of men compared to only 69% of women know that America’s freedom was won from England
* 80% of whites vs. 54% of blacks answered correctly

Four out of Five Americans Know Earth Revolves Around Sun
Probing a more universal measure of knowledge, Gallup also asked the following basic science question, which has been used to indicate the level of public knowledge in two European countries in recent years: “As far as you know, does the earth revolve around the sun or does the sun revolve around the earth?” In the new poll, about four out of five Americans (79%) correctly respond that the earth revolves around the sun, while 18% say it is the other way around. These results are comparable to those found in Germany when a similar question was asked there in 1996; in response to that poll, 74% of Germans gave the correct answer, while 16% thought the sun revolved around the earth, and 10% said they didn’t know. When the question was asked in Great Britain that same year, 67% answered correctly, 19% answered incorrectly, and 14% didn’t know.”
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/3742/new-poll-gauges-americans-general-knowledge-levels.aspx
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A larger percent Americans believe that we fought our war of independence from France than Climatologists who do not believe both that Global Warming is real and caused by man.
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And if you don’t like it, go back to France!
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:)

Freeper: You are masterful at hijacking a post. The topic was a Chinese stealth plane and you turned into a screed about your cretinous theories on evolution, education, and global warming.
It is relevant because you are a living example of ignorance.

I was in high school when Sputnik was launched. It was a shock to our confidence. However, I don’t see the Chinese developing a stealth bomber as comparable. We had no viable successful missle program in the 50s. It was considered a military and national disgrace.
We have stealth fighters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/opinion/26cohen.html?_r=2&ref=opinion
Freeper the above is an easy to understand article about why global warming can cause increased snow in areas.
I know you will dismiss it. But give it a try.

“I very much doubt that any predator that made their prey extinct did so believing they were better than others”
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And you know this because:

1- liberals know all
2- you are one with the animal kingdom
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“You’re view of science is so primitive that you are not aware of the known fact that there are multiple types of pollution”
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And your is just full of crap. What you have shown is that the “scientific facts” are fungible and change over time frames and the result will change depending on the view.
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“The long term modeling of the process, its measurement, study, design of theories and testing take decades to document, gain wide acceptance, and ultimately become the dominant paradigm”
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“the snowstorm this past weekend. At 3:52am Sunday morning the weather center warned of 6-8 inches of snow starting at 7am (3 hours) for the Philadelphia area. It began to snow around 12:30pm and we received about 3-4 inches. This is a storm pattern that was followd for days and could not come within 5 1/2 hrs of a start time and off by 50% in accumulation. All based on models.

Is this the paradigm you so authoritatively speak? Or did you drop out before you got that far!
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“…But then liberals think they are god and can interfere as they see fit…”
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As said above, the use of the word “liberals” to mean “biologists” is absurd.
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One need not be liberal to be a biologist and one need not be a biologist to be liberal.
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The fossil records clearly indicate that some periods of extinction in the oceans and on land were due to super powerful predators which ate their pray into extinction eventually leaving themselves no food source.
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It’s a little bit like when somebody brings your wife to a picnic.
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So, to make sure that humans do not by direct and indirect means overpower the rest of the environment, some species are protected such that we do not go the way of the huge pliosaur.
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Here’s one example of a predator which was too good for it;s own good.
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“Described as the Tyrannosaurus of the sea, remains of the world’s most fearsome ocean predator nicknamed “Predator X” have been uncovered in permafrost on a Norwegian island near the North Pole.

A marine monster described as the most fearsome animal ever to swim in the oceans boasted a bite up to 11 times as strong as that of Tyrannosaurus rex. The fossil remains of the huge pliosaur were dug up last summer from the permafrost on Svalbard, a Norwegian island close to the North Pole. “”
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http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/viewnews.php?id=150031

“Freeper: You are masterful at hijacking a post. The topic was a Chinese stealth plane and you turned into a screed about your cretinous theories on evolution, education, and global warming.
It is relevant because you are a living example of ignorance.”
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I wrote a simple post in response to one Mr. Dirks wrote. The hijacking was the typical knee-jerk defense of the left when they are called on the bankruptcy of their philosophy who came out in droves. Sort of like the cockroach theory. Shine light on liberals and thousands run in circles to escape with their stupidity in tact. What you object to is having the nonsense you believe called out.
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Ridicule won’t work anymore regardless of how many times you try it. Liberals have confused silencing opponents with intelligence. Seems the ignoranc eis all yours. (as usual)

“And your is just full of crap.”
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If you don’t believe 97% of all climatologists and prefer to believe nuts who have no legs to stand on, then why don’t you read this:
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“In truth, smoking is not a leading cause of cancer.

Lung cancer is primarily a condition developed in old age, with average age of onset age 65, according to American Cancer Society literature. It’s estimated more people will die of lung cancer in populations of older Americans, and where more older Americans live, there more lung cancer deaths will be estimated. More incidence of lung cancer and deaths from lung cancer are likely to occur in Florida than in any other state. That’s where the highest percentage of retirees live. And that’s where ACS estimates more lung cancers will occur. Lung cancer is a disease of old age, not smoking.

Research has now firmly linked many of today’s cancers with tainted virus vaccinations given in the early 1950s. In 1960, researchers discovered that the polio vaccine distributed to certain states was infected with another virus called “Simian Virus 40.” SV-40 is a monkey virus that is not normally found in humans. Unknown at the time, it was present in hundreds of rhesus monkeys that were used to grow and harvest the polio vaccine. Injected into research animals, the SV-40 virus causes brain and lung cancers. Now, some forty years later, its effect on humans is just being investigated. ”
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http://www.smokingaloud.com/death.html
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Why don’t you ignore 97% of all doctors due to 3% of doctors who are quacks and, for Christmas, put a carton of Lucky Strikes in your daughter’s stocking?
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You love to pay attention to the 2% or 3% insane people over the 90% to 97% majority, so, maybe you and your wife should introduce your 12 year old daughter to the smooth but rugged taste of Lucky Strikes this Christmas?

See 3.1

What does a blizzard on the east coast have to do with global warming?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=what-does-a-blizzard-on-the-us-east-2010-12-27

Freakinpa,
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You keep on writing that liberals are scientists and scientists are liberals.
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If that were true then liberals brought you:
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The light bulb.
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The Television.
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Computers.
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The Internet.
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Guns.
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Airplanes.
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Cars.
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The wheel.
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Just to name a few.
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Considering that the labor movement brought us:
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The end of child labor.
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Minimum wages.
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Workers compensation (starting in the 1850s).
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The 40 hour workweek.
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and, the weekend.
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It would seem that all good things come from liberals and only the nuttiest right wing preachers are brought to you by conservatives.
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If I were you, I would not substitute “liberal” for “Scientists” it makes conservatives seem like Neanderthals but without spears (inventing is from scientists and if scientists are liberals, neanderthals were more advanced that you are.)

Read that this morning. Only a complex liberal mind can understand how global warming and hot temperatures can cause lower temperatures and snow. It seems last winter when it was warmer, the left didn’t try to push that argument. Every year a new excuse.
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40 years ago it was global freezing (oops) , now global warming. (oops) The left is now pushing “climate change because their efforts to predict catastrophes has failed. As I said before you need a new ploy to steal other people’s money

Me:

“I very much doubt that any predator that made their prey extinct did so believing they were better than others”
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You
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“And you know this because:

1- liberals know all
2- you are one with the animal kingdom”
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I’d say as close to the end of the year as this is I could easily claim this to be your most stupid comment of the year. I’m sure you’re about to list all the ‘smart’ predators that you know off that are so stupid that the kill off all their prey thinking they’re better than they are while ‘oups’; where did all the sloth go?
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Seriously. You must really hate liberals so bad that you intentionally make yourself ‘sound’ so fundamentally stupid.

“Shine light on liberals and thousands run in circles to escape with their stupidity in tact. What you object to is having the nonsense you believe called out.”
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That’s funny, judging from the way the posts have been going, liberals are closing in you like wolves after lamb.
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If I were an intellectual sheep like you following whatever the extreme right wing like Beck, Limbaugh, O’Riely, Hannity, Savage and the rest of the Fox lineup tell you do, I wouldn’t come into wolf territory like this.
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MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM lamb chops.

“Only a complex liberal mind can understand how global warming and hot temperatures can cause lower temperatures and snow.”
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IOW, you are admitting to being an idiot.
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“…40 years ago it was global freezing (oops)”
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First, you have that wrong as I explained above.
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Second, only 50 years ago Pall Malls were a fun, healthy treat which many doctors enjoyed.
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Why aren’t you putting that carton of cigarettes in your daughter’s stockings?

“As I said before you need a new ploy to steal other people’s money.”
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Exxon Mobil total revenue US$310.58 billion (2009).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExxonMobil
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Well, it is Exxon Mobil’s and other Greenhouse gas producers who are out there to save their revenue stream, not some nerds adding together temperature reports in the basement of a university research facility.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/27/ralph-hall-blossoming/
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Rep. Ralph Hall (R-TX) plans to pursue an aggressive pro-oil agenda as the incoming chair of the House Science and Technology Committee. In an interview with the Dallas Morning News this month, the “unconditional champion of fossil fuels” described his zeal for the “holy grail” of the oil industry — the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge — discussed issuing subpoenas to interrogate climate scientists, and explained why the BP disaster “didn’t dampen his enthusiasm for offshore drilling.” Hall described the BP explosion that killed eleven men, injured dozens, and led to the despoilment of the Gulf of Mexico as a “tremendous,” “blossoming” flower of energy:

As we saw that thing bubbling out, blossoming out – all that energy, every minute of every hour of every day of every week – that was tremendous to me. That we could deliver that kind of energy out there – even on an explosion.

In an extensive report yesterday, the New York Times describes the explosion differently: “Dazed and battered survivors, half-naked and dripping in highly combustible gas, crawled inch by inch in pitch darkness, willing themselves to the lifeboat deck. . . . Crew members, certain they were about to be cooked alive, scrambled into enclosed lifeboats for shelter, only to find them like smoke-filled ovens.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/us/26spill.html?hp
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The Final Hours
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Crew members were cut down by shrapnel, hurled across rooms and buried under smoking wreckage. Some were swallowed by fireballs that raced through the oil rig’s shattered interior. Dazed and battered survivors, half-naked and dripping in highly combustible gas, crawled inch by inch in pitch darkness, willing themselves to the lifeboat deck.
It was no better there.

That same explosion had ignited a firestorm that enveloped the rig’s derrick. Searing heat baked the lifeboat deck. Crew members, certain they were about to be cooked alive, scrambled into enclosed lifeboats for shelter, only to find them like smoke-filled ovens.a

“I’d say as close to the end of the year as this is I could easily claim this to be your most stupid comment of the year.”
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Proving you don’t read what you write, which is probably a good practice for all o fus

If anybody should be mocked it’s the clown the jesters held up as savior who sits in the White House: Mr Hopey Changey.
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The jesters can turn the threat of the Chinese developing a stealth fighter into a discussion of evolution and global warming. Those two theories that constitute their religion. I do believe, I do, I do, I do…
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Take it from here boys.

“Proving you don’t read what you write, which is probably a good practice for all o fus”
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Lame. You make a fool out of yourself and the best you can do is ‘you’re one too’.
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Seriously.

“Well, it is Exxon Mobil’s and other Greenhouse gas producers who are out there to save their revenue stream, not some nerds adding together temperature reports in the basement of a university research facility.”
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Well you could help by not using anything that uses the green house gases. No electricity, no cars, no buses no subways, no food cooked in restaurants etc. Do you share.
And why are you doing that consider the possibility of those nerds and their job security if they reported that global warming is a farce? Would the government continue to provide grants that didn’t help support their attempt to confiscate more money from the people?
I will save you from having a stroke thinking- the answer would be NO

Only a psychopath would find the gushing of oil exciting while it kills off a entire echo system.
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I’m sure he’ll volunteer to take a little dip in the waters near the well. Envigorating.

Nobody reads what they write. It’s all the same over and over.
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Now, they just want “climate change.” Gee what are the odds?
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The climate has always changed. The history of the earth is cyclical changes in weather and long term variations in climate. Since the last Ice Age the earth has been warming; allowing life to expand to previously frozen areas that were buried under glaciers. How terrible. It doesn’t take a genius to predict that the warming cycle will continue. Hence, Al Gore the not a genius.
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It’s like predicting that the sun will rise. And therefore, you should have to pay a tax to prevent darkeness.

“Lame. You make a fool out of yourself and the best you can do is ‘you’re one too’”
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Hardly. You rank up there with several other liberal idiots where nearly any response would only add the the notion that want you think has any merit.. It doesn’t. In case you have noticed or more likely understood, nearly all of my responses to you reflect the tone and depth of your posts. Nothing. Your posts have all the depth of a mud puddle and comparable clarity.

What a bizarre thread.

“If I were an intellectual sheep like you following whatever the extreme right wing like Beck, Limbaugh, O’Riely, Hannity, Savage and the rest of the Fox lineup tell you do, I wouldn’t come into wolf territory like this.
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One you have no intellect but you are a jacka$s

No kidding. Look who the posters are: The usual crowd of unemployed liberals.

Speaking of idiots Rev Jim you are the master.
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“Second, only 50 years ago Pall Malls were a fun, healthy treat which many doctors enjoyed.”
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and milk was the perfect food and meat was considered healthy.

What you are admitting is that some science facts are more malleable than others and change like global freezing to global warming to climate change. Funny thing about science facts based on models

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html

Here is a link to the infamous Time magazine

meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

“It’s like predicting that the sun will rise. And therefore, you should have to pay a tax to prevent darkeness.”
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Don’t give them any ideas.

Yes it is quite easy to bring out the left wing nuts just attack some sacred cows and the drool shorts out their keyboards.

“It would seem that all good things come from liberals and only the nuttiest right wing preachers are brought to you by conservatives.
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If I were you, I would not substitute “liberal” for “Scientists”

“You keep on writing that liberals are scientists and scientists are liberals.”
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That’s an incredible leap of stupidity even for you.

I didn’t know the Rev Wright, Rev Al and the Rev Jesse were conservatives. It might surprise them too.

And extending your brilliant logic (yeah I threw up in my mouth a bit). Conservatives are greedy capitalists so any inventions and any workers are the direct result of conservatives. When you go to work tomorrow — Hug a conservative

“Hardly. You rank up there with several other liberal idiots where nearly any response would only add the the notion that want you think has any merit.. It doesn’t. In case you have noticed or more likely understood, nearly all of my responses to you reflect the tone and depth of your posts. Nothing. Your posts have all the depth of a mud puddle and comparable clarity.”
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Wouldn’t it be nice if it worked like that in real life? You win arguments by ignoring your own dumb comments and whine and b1tch about the other persons intelligence? You get points for coming off as a superior @ss, but I’m still interested in you mentioning any of those other selfaware spieces that mass murdered other spieces because they believed they’re better then they are.

“I’m still interested in you mentioning any of those other selfaware spieces that mass murdered other spieces because they believed they’re better then they are.”
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Your the hippo commune with your species and receive the truth

“Speaking of stupidity in today’s NYT we have an article that now claims we have global warming and the hottest month and decade ever and it is causing (wait for it) record snow and global record low temperatures!”

More heat evaporates water, more water in the atmosphere gives you more precipitation, such as snow.

Global record low temperatures aren’t the same as the *average* global temperature rising. Some global warming models predict that cold areas will get colder and hot areas will get hotter as weather patterns are disrupted and hot/cold air isn’t circulated anymore. Imagine if the vents in your house were blocked off. The kitchen would get hotter while the basement would get colder.

If the hot gets hotter and cold colder, then we’re in trouble in terms of food production. When powerful cold and warm fronts meet they produce harsh weather. If we lose our nice temperate zone, it winds up being too hot to grow food, too cold to grow food, or the weather is too erratic to grow food reliably.

You guys seem pretty pissed off.
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Why not stay in the holiday spirit?

“Any idea how many are extinct by being killed by other animals or the Hitlers of the 4 legged world as you have deemed.? Hint: It’s more than one. But then liberals think they are god and can interfere as they see fit.”
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As you can , well have somebody read it to you. I never said that any animal species thought they were better than another, that is a concept that came from your idiotic thought process.

I repeat as I said before, liberals supposedly believe in evolution and survival of the fittest but continually intervene into that theory with “endangered species”. Apparently there is an addendum to “survival of the fittest” that includes the moral superiority of liberals. I don’t recall reading that humans killing off any species was not part of Darwin’s theory.

I wonder what the Russians think of this…

“Your the hippo commune with your species and receive the truth”
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Wow. That was…special. Anyways – what other spieces? Should be easy if you have the entire interweb of knowledge to use.

Would that be the holiday spirit of Global Warming, or do you have another spirit that you celebrate with?

Because I’m a Christian, I celebrate the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ, liberal, but you can choose whichever holiday spirit you’d like to stay in, because we live in America, where we are free to do so according to individual conscience, and still retain our identity as Americans, which does not depend on a particular or any religious or ethnic identity, thank God.
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So you can stay in the holiday spirit of your choosing or upbringing, liberal, preferably one that involves the whole “goodwill to all men” concept, if it can be managed at this time of year.

I have a feeling they have weaker countries to intimidate. For example India. I think it’s cute. They want to be just like us. Someday, China, you’ll get your own third world country to invade for oil, just like your big cousin the US!

http://underprotest.bandvista.com/

“…only the nuttiest right wing preachers are brought to you by conservatives….”
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“…That’s an incredible leap of stupidity even for you.

I didn’t know the Rev Wright, Rev Al and the Rev Jesse were conservatives. It might surprise them too.

And extending your brilliant logic (yeah I threw up in my mouth a bit).”
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Re-read what your wrote, “…the nuttiest right wing preachers… Rev Wright, Rev Al and the Rev Jesse …”
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I nobody said “all preachers”.
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“Conservatives are greedy capitalists so any inventions and any workers are the direct result of conservatives….”
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This is moronic.
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Scientists are not near 100% liberal, business owners and entrepreneurs are not near 100% conservative.
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Which is Bill gates, a computer scientist or a businessman?
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The founders of Google?
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You’re a moron to think that all business people or all scientists are of one ideology nor that there aren’t many who are both scientists and business people.

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You’re buddy Freakinpa inserting stupidity (I know many conservatives, he, and you are just being morons, not conservatives) who jumped on this thread.
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I’m just one of the wolves.

“Well you could help by not using anything that uses the green house gases.”
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First, all that has been said is the gradual replacement of greenhouse gas producing devices replace ones which produce greenhouse gases.
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Second, taking an international effort and asking one individual to take on doing it all would be like asking you contribute 100% of your money to TAXES to pay for the Iraq war since I never wanted an Iraq War.
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Next time the Republicans want a war, they’ll have to get a special Republicans Supporting the War Tax and only war supporters will pay.
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Then I bet the Republicans will make hippies blush with how much they love the world.
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It’s the same concept.
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Among many other reasons, I chose city life so I would not need to drive much and use far less gasoline than average. That is my contribution until it is a national effort.

“What a bizarre thread.”
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It sure is. It’s kind of like sticking in “Santa Claus Conquers The Martians” for the kids because you can’t find “Frosty The Snowman”.

Stealth fighters? I’m surprised the Chinese want to follow us down that rabbit hole– single jets that cost billions, have a poor track record, difficult + expensive to maintain, unreliable, little practical use..
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Who are they going to borrow billions from to finance it?

From your article:
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“But all agree that vastly more information is needed about the major influences on the earth’s climate. Indeed, it is to gain such knowledge that 38 ships and 13 aircraft, carrying scientists from almost 70 nations, are now assembling in the Atlantic and elsewhere for a massive 100-day study of the effects of the tropical seas and atmosphere on worldwide weather. The study itself is only part of an international scientific effort known acronymically as GARP (for Global Atmospheric Research Program).”
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If you read the 1974 article, you would, also, know that it was only a sample of air temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere – half the planet – and data only over a four year period.
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I will give credit to you that you used a reasonable source, even though you cherry picked once again.
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“and milk was the perfect food and meat was considered healthy.”
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Your implication is that dairy and meat were taken off the list.
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http://www.mypyramid.gov/pyramid/index.html
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They are still very much there.
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Just because there have been some arguments made by vegans that one can substitute for meats and dairy and by non-vegan vegetarians that one can substitute meat does not mean that anybody in the medical/scientific community recommends either lifestyle above a reasonable consumption of meat and dairy.
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Sugar remains on the list of foods one can go without forever, or, if consumed, in moderation. That hasn’t changed.

“I repeat as I said before, liberals supposedly believe in evolution and survival of the fittest but continually intervene into that theory with “endangered species”.”
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You’re so ridiculous.
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Right now we are at one of evolution’s most awkward moments like the huge pliosaur It is that evolution found a winner.
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Strangely enough, you really don’t want to be a winner of evolution because, if you are – and, like the huge pliosaur, are the winner, you will destroy your own food sources unless you are a sapient creature which can stop, look at each creature which may go extinct, find out what it does in the food chain and, if it is going to be needed to prevent catastrophe 100, 1,000 or 10,000 years from now with it’s absence, you can keep the creatures from going into extinction.
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Scientific – but as you like to say “liberal” – theory is that of human superiority to the point where we could easily over the next few hundred years destroy our own climate and, by being so successful (in evolution being “successful” means having babies that live, not being the dinosaur with a nice apartment on 5th avenue) destroy what we will need for our survival.
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How many bears have built cities of eight million? How many times have suburban sprawl of tigers destroyed shopping malls?
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Obviously we can and do trample over animal habitats with temporary impunity. If we can find out which of these species we are ruining that we will need in the future, we will last far, far longer than the dinosaurs.

Maybe they are just cheap mock-ups. What better way to get us to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to win an arms race that doesn’t exist? We’ll spend ourselves even further into a blackhole with a new generation of stealth fighters we’ll never use while they make tvs, dvd players and everything else Wal-Mart stocks at a reasonable price.

Sacred– brilliant plan by the Chinese. They’ll get us to borrow more in order to win the stealth arms race against them- while they’re not even racing… genius. Hell, all they had to was spent 10 mins photoshopping some pics.. And once we’ve spent ourselves into third-world status, they’ll invade with the actual jets we’ve sold them.

We’ll be so broke they’ll pay us to invade ourselves. They’d never actually take over. We can’t even figure out the metric system let alone learn something as complex as Chinese.

“Only a complex liberal mind can understand how global warming and hot temperatures can cause lower temperatures and snow. It seems last winter when it was warmer, the left didn’t try to push that argument. Every year a new excuse.”
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No, it shouldn’t be that hard even for a simple “conservative” mind. Weather is a data point which, no matter how interesting, tells you very little about a large complex system, such as global climate. What you need to understand those are many large data sets. The relevant data set for knowing simply whether we have global warming is whether we have a general rise of mean average global temperatures. We do. A truly terrifying rise.
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If that’s not simple enough for you, here it is in graphic form. It’s not a picture of it snowing last night, it’s a picture of anthropogenic global warming over time:
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http://climateprogress.org/2010/06/03/nasa-giss-james-hansen-study-global-warming-record-hottest-year/

“Hitlers of the 4 legged world”
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You don’t have to write two paragraphs of ‘liberals are just stupid’ to say that it was an ignorant statement confusing the scientific concept of survival of the fittest in the evolutionary sense and the concious choice to kill someone because of a irrational understanding.
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“liberals supposedly believe in evolution and survival of the fittest but continually intervene into that theory”.
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Again – your average person with common sense understands the concept of adapting through evolutionary process; only troglodytes assume that the idiot with the biggest gun somehow is the pinnacle of the evolutionary scale.
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Most people with common sense also know that being ontop of the food chain doesn’t mean you can slaughter everything else. Our survival depends on this chain. Remove enough pivotal spieces out of it and you have a slow but brutal suicide. I understand that you need to make this a ideologue point but that’s how it is with people who argue whether the sky is blue or not.

Estimated B-2 (Stealth Jet) Acquisition Costs
(Then-year dollars in millions)
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Total unit acquisition cost
Dec 1994 $2,247
Dec 1995 $2,265
Dec 1996 $2,131
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While the B-2′s performance met requirements for initial operations, the aircraft are unable to meet intended deployment requirements because some low-observable features require substantial maintenance and the aircraft are more sensitive to climate and moisture than expected…
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The Air Force decided it was unrealistic to deploy the B-2 without shelters, as planned, because some low-observable materials are not as durable as expected and require lengthy maintenance, some in an environmentally controlled shelter after each flight. In addition, B-2s must be kept in shelters because of their sensitivity to moisture, water, and other severe climatic conditions….
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Problems with low-observable materials have also affected the percentage of time the B-2 was partially or fully capable of completing a mission, which was significantly less when low observability was considered. When low observability was not considered, the mission-capable rate was 66 percent for a 12-month period ending March 1997. However, when low-observability problems were considered for the same period of time, the rate dropped significantly to 26 percent.
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…Air Force officials said it is unlikely that the aircraft’s sensitivity to moisture and climates or the need for controlled environments to fix low-observability problems will
ever be fully resolved, even with improved materials and repair processes.
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http://www.fas.org/man/gao/nsiad97181.htm
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Stealth fighters, the most inefficient jobs program imaginable. Unfortunately, weaponry is the only jobs program our elected recognize.
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Good luck China.

As you say, the whole “goodwill to all men” concept, which is a secular misinterpretation of Luke 2:14. I don’t have a problem with goodwill. You can get some of it if from the left if you compromise; meaning go along with everything that they want and don’t bother us with anything about God. But that’s rather pointless, isn’t it?

[1] And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
[2] (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
[3] And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
[4] And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)
[5] To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
[6] And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.
[7] And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
[8] And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
[9] And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
[10] And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
[11] For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
[12] And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
[13] And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
[14] Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_%27Peace_on_Earth_Goodwill_Toward_Men%27_mean
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It could also be worded: “Glory to God, and on earth, peace among men who please God” or “among men with whom God is pleased”
Therefore the correct answer is:
Peace on earth = peace between men and God
Good will toward men = God’s peace between himself and men who accept his Son

The above answer is based on this argument:

“Peace on earth, goodwill to men”? The Latin has it, `et in terra pax hominibus, bonae voluntatis”. Note the Latin genitive case in the words `bonae voltuntatis’. The phrase properly rendered is, “PEACE ON EARTH TO MEN OF GOOD WILL”. The angels’ words are not universalist, if you get my drift. by elcid1970
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While they’re at it, why not have China take a crack at all those pie-in-the-sky SDI programs, like X-ray lasers and particle beam weapons?

The AMS has taken the position that global warming is happening and increased levels of CO2 is the culprit. After studying under one of the most respected climatologists he made it clear that our atmosphere is a very complex and fragile environment and really we don’t exactly know what such levels of CO2 will do. As far as forcasters being wrong about snow amounts winter forcasting is one of the most challenging forecasts to make. There are so many variables that come into play and the models can’t take all these variables into account but they are pretty darned accurate. Models can give us a broad understanding of what could occur and that is the same when modeling future global conditions. Of course it will not be 100% correct but they give us an idea of what we may expect. To dismiss the use of modeling because the snow total forecast was a bit off is a little misleading. http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2009geoengineeringclimate_amsstatement.html
Most scientists follow where the data takes them and I don’t know any climatologists intentionally trying to mislead or just to make money.

First of all, have a look at the wiki answers post, your interpretation has been disputed.
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Second of all…you’re not suggesting that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is meant to be understood by humankind to mean something like “good will to men, except for those leftists over there with whom I have violent political disagreement,” are you?

Unfortunately, Obama is taking a crack at SDI. We’re looking to build a missile defense system in Europe and courting Russian cooperation. In fact, the New START treaty (a mostly symbolic nuclear arms reduction coupled with $80 billion to be spent in “modernizing” our nuclear arsenal) is seen as a step in that direction:
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Missile defense has been among Republicans’ concerns with the (START) treaty… others have expressed concern that the treaty would limit deployment of a missile shield in Europe, although the pact would not directly restrict any current plans. During a NATO summit meeting in Lisbon this month, Mr. Obama invited (President Dmitri) Medvedev of Russia to explore participating in the missile defense system.
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At the Lisbon meeting, Mr. Medvedev had accepted NATO’s invitation to consider participating in a European missile defense system…
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/world/europe/01moscow.html
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FYI, START I was proposed by Reagan and signed by the elder Pres Bush. New START includes an $80 billion defense spending increase and is aimed toward building a missile defense system that would never work at stopping non-existent Iranian nuclear weapons. Perhaps the real goal of New START and the missile system is to justify NATO’s existence.
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Damn liberal, that Obama..

Per: a mostly symbolic nuclear arms reduction coupled with $80 billion to be spent in “modernizing” our nuclear arsenal.
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“President Obama promised… to spend $80 billion over 10 years to maintain and modernize the nation’s nuclear arsenal, a commitment that could help win Republican support for his new arms control treaty with Russia.
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The (New START) treaty requires each side to deploy no more than 1,550 strategic warheads and 700 bombers, missiles and submarine launchers, and it establishes a new verification system to replace the one that expired along with the original Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty in December.
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Documents sent to the Senate detailed how the cuts would be made. At least 30 missile silos, 34 bombers and 56 submarine launch tubes would be taken out of service. But the United States could remove missiles from their silos without actually destroying them. Most of the bombers will be converted to conventional use. None of the 14 strategic nuclear submarines will be retired; instead, each will have 4 of its 24 launchers removed.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/us/politics/14treaty.html?ref=world

SZ, the far left doesn’t believe in a personal savior. They believe that they are going to save the world.
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You’re not suggesting that angels gave us the Gospel are you?
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The passage states that they were praising God, not giving instructions.
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I don’t have a violent political agreement with anybody on the left. Where would you get that idea?

It’s pretty obvious you have very little practical idea of what the left or the far left believe or don’t believe.
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Of course, I’m not suggesting that the angels gave us the Gospel according to Luke. Luke did, obviously.
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The angels’ praise was indirectly instructive, obviously, as they described the coming of Christ and His Word as intended for human acceptance. They were not directly instructing humanity, they were announcing Christ and His instructions.
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(It’s hard to believe Christians would actually have a difficult time understanding that.)
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You might not have violent disagreement with those on the left, but you certainly have evidenced a great deal of hostility toward what you mistakenly believe we think.

Even a casual observation of the left results in the conclusion that they believe that they have to “save the earth.”
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And then there’s this:
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http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/
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http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=77539
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There are many more examples of this from the far left. Perhaps you missed the last several years.