"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Deja Vu

The House voted 250 to 175 Wednesday night to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” Didn’t they do that back in May?

Freedom, atop the U.S. Capitol

Well, as is usually the case in the capital — and in the capitol — kind of. May’s 234 to 194 vote was an amendment, repealing the 17-year old law banning openly gay men and women from serving in the military, to the 2011 defense policy bill. But because that entire bill is now stranded in Congress – and may not be passed, especially with that controversial amendment attached – pro-repeal advocates in both houses have created a so-called stand-alone bill whose only purpose is to end the gay ban.

Now that the House has passed that streamlined legislation, action pivots to the Senate, where gay-rights advocates hope the measure can be voted on before the Senate’s lame duck session ends in the coming days. The House vote was largely along partisan lines, with the 15 Democrats voting against repeal matched by 15 Republicans voting for it.

It’s a last-ditch effort to salvage a campaign promise made by then-Senator Barack Obama to end the ban. After a slow start during Obama’s first year in the White House, momentum picked up early this year when Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, endorsed repeal. But things bogged down following May’s House vote, which upset Pentagon leaders who wanted a troop survey completed first. The poll, released two weeks ago,  generally supported ending the ban, but contained doubts about the move from front-line troops. That gave Senate Republicans the cover they needed to thwart a vote on the entire defense bill, including repeal.

The House vote Wednesday once again turned into a partisan taffy-pull. Republican members of the House Armed Services Committee grumbled in a letter to top congressional Democrats that it was “unconscionable” for lawmakers to take up the issue before dealing with the overall defense bill – especially “in a time of war.” But Rep. Barney Frank, a gay Democrat from Massachusetts, declared the bill’s stand-alone nature “strip(s) away any excuse” for putting off a vote on repeal. And House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said that “by voting again, it is my hope that we will encourage the Senate to take long-overdue action.”

The bill now heads to the Senate as a so-called “privileged bill,” meaning it can get to the floor more quickly than normal legislation. Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine declared Wednesday that she would vote for repeal, so long as the tax-cut bill passes first. She is the fourth GOP senator to back an end to the ban, theoretically meaning there are 61 votes for it – enough to prevent a filibuster by opponents.

Related Topics: don't ask don't tell, gays in the military, Congress, National Security
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  • formerlyjames

    Equal rights. Tough sell. Those who can’t lead the effort, such as James Amos, should retire and take a lucrative fascist military commentator position at Fox.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Hmm, and I was just reading Ian Welsh this morning, who says we have a “Kabuki congress”

    http://www.ianwelsh.net/the-kabuki-congress-and-presidency/

    We cluck about SCOTUS nomination kabuki and security theatre. I’m rapidly coming to terms with a far more pervasive conclusion … government kabuki.

  • sasquatch08

    Well either Congress will end this ban or the courts will.
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    Personally I’m with the military lets have the Congress do it so we can have an orderly transition, rather than have the courts do it overnight.

  • apr2563

    A suggestion: Let all of the congress people who are against the Dream Act and DADT send their children and grandchildren to replace those immigrants and gays that are fighting and dying to protect their progeny.

  • liberalmeltdown

    Who cares? We have millions of people sleeping in the streets tonight. The government is obsessed with this cr@p? The government has confiscated Trillions of dollars from its citizens and still millions of people are homeless. The government has failed. Many of those on the street fought for this country. If I used the words that I want to use this post would be censored. The son of a breeches that think they know what is best have failed this country. You, big government need to get out. Get out of the way, Get out of out lives; get out. Private charities can do SOOOOOOOO much more than your pathetic wasteful projects. Just go away and give people back their money so that REAL charity can help people. YOU SUCK.
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    Every night there are millions of American citizens sleeping on the street. They have no job, because the Big government passed NAFTA and let China into the WTO. And there went any chance of them having a job. Isn’t that F ed up? YES IT IS. I don’t give a damn about you or your politics.

  • kbanginmotown

    It’s Thursday. Happy “No Feeding” Day!

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    The Democrats have disappointed so many liberals they must think this one issue will put them back in the good books, so liberals may actually go out and vote for them again.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Goddamn apr, with nothing but time on your hands, that tired old line is the fu(kin’ best you can come up with? The far left would be so frightening, were it not so lame and predictable. Whacko.

  • Paul-no not that one

    So it’s down to Scott Brown and/or Lisa Murkowski.
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    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/snowe-pledges-support-for-standalone-dadt-bill.php?ref=fpa
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    Brown may need the vote for his next election and Murkoski may enjoy sticking it to the party that didn’t help her re-election.
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    My money is on neither or, less likely, Brown.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    “Personally I’m with the military…”
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    Lie.
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    Should read: Personally I’m with f@gg0ts, against the majority of our brave fighting men.

  • jsfox

    DADT will end either here and now or through the courts. The military will not implode and in a few years everybody will wonder what all the fuss about.

  • jsfox

    2thirdsrocks -

    Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    witty

  • jsfox

    And here I was afraid you wouldn’t get it.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Yet another trait of the superintelligent condescending left.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Unless the courts don’t end it and then we can have another go at it….

  • sacredh

    This might be politically incorrect, but I’d like to see a poll done that tracks how many people are against repealing DADT and also watch DWTS. I’m sorry, but if you get off on watching men in tight pants doing the rhumba, you’re just one step from kneeling in front of a glory hole in a bath house.

  • Paul-no not that one
  • Paul-no not that one

    Correction, it was both.
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    “On Wednesday Republicans Olympia Snowe of Maine and Lisa Murkowski both announced their support for the stand-alone repeal.”

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Wait, did 2/3 just admit that we on the left are more intelligent than him?
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    BTW: When did intelligence become a negative? Could this, perhaps, be a major factor in why American schools are progressively losing pace against the world?

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    And the flaw in his argument is?

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    The obvious flaw: the “heartfelt” concern for a scant few, while snubbing the wishes of the majority who DO NOT WANT THEM ON THE FRONT LINE!! Or to put it another way, using our troops as props to advance the leftwing/gay/illegal alien agenda. Thank you queers, thank you illegals, screw the rest of you leatherneck bigots!

  • ohiolibb

    Personally I’m with f@gg0ts, against the majority of our brave fighting men
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    Who knew? A supermajority of Americans are against our brave fighting men.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/12/most_back_repealing_dont_ask_d.html

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    To everybody who says “we don’t want gays on the front lines”, google Erie Alva. Mr. Alva is a retired Marine Staff Stg. He was also the very first man injured in the Iraq war after his transport was struck by an IED on the first day of the invasion. His leg was so badly damaged in the explosion that it had to be amputated. He was given a medal and a medical discharge.
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    Now CMC, James Amos has been saying that the repeal of DADT would be a distraction. He is calling the service and the lost leg of Staff Sgt. Alva a distraction. When in fact Mr. Alva served with honor, distinction and courage. Mr. Alva also abided by the rules of DADT, coming out only after his honorable, medical discharge.
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    Despite hiding who he is, there is no way most around him did not know, or at least suspect that Mr. Alva was gay. All one needs to do is listen to him speak. That is not the voice of a straight man!!
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    At a time when our military is stretched thin with two wars, countless bases around the world, and more discharges than normal due to mental illness, should we really be discharging men and women who are good at their jobs, respected by the peers and troops; who are serving with courage and whatever honor and integrity they have left after being forced to lie about who they are? DADT has always been a bad policy. Gays are serving in the military. They will continue to serve in the military. There is no reasonable excuse for asking them to put their personal lives on hold when straight troop members have lovers, spouses, children. It is institutionalized and condoned bigotry and discrimination by our government. It says that any corporation could use DADT as an argument to implement similar hiring/firing policies in the private sector work place. And that is wrong.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Oops. That should be Eric Alva.

  • sacredh

    Mr. Alva doesn’t fit into their stereotype. He was serving his country and paid a terrible price. He wasn’t there to check out other soldiers. He volunteered to fight and possibly die for his country. He has something that is sadly lacking in many others that oppose repealing DADT, a belief that we all have the same rights and that second class citizens should be a relic of the past.

  • adajam

    Very well said, erieangel!
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    I would also ask those who despise homosexuals, but refuse to admit they do while calling them “f@gg0ts”, and categorically state there will be Gay Pride parades on bases and posts if the ban is repealed, to TRY to educate themselves not only about facts on homosexuality, but about the rationale around that ill-conceived DADT policy.
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    An excerpt from an article written by Dr. Gregory Herek, professor of Psychology at UC Davis:
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    “The Pentagon’s principal justification for the policy continues to be that the presence of openly gay and lesbian personnel would interfere with the military’s ability to accomplish its mission. In essence, the Pentagon’s rationale is that heterosexual personnel have such antipathy for gay people that they would be unable and unwilling to serve with them. Moreover, the Department of Defense believes that it is powerless to prevent this hostility from interfering with the military mission.”
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    “Thus, the presumed focus of the problem is not really homosexual personnel. Rather, it is heterosexual servicemembers and military leadership. ”
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    “Scientific research and policy studies indicate that the Pentagon is wrong. Heterosexuals’ hostility toward homosexuality need not interfere with the military mission, provided that strong leadership is exercised and clear rules are enforced concerning nondiscrimination.” (end quote)
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    http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/military.html
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    The second paragraph is key to the whole controversy. We have seen examples of bravery, like Marine Staff Sgt Alva. There are many others just like his.
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    Heterosexuals and homosexuals have served together in the military since this nation has had a military force. Repealing the ban will not change anything. It will end an unjust, un-American, un-patriotic discrimination.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Isn’t that the same argument the military tried using to keep the troops segregated? Black soldiers and white soldiers couldn’t serve together because it would interfer with the military mission.
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    The Tuskegee Airmen proved that argument wrong when white bomber groups requested these black airmen over men “more like themselves”.
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    I think the courage and partiotism of Staff Sgt. Alva and those like him, again prove the military dooms day predictions wrong.

  • http://forgottenlord.livejournal.com forgottenlord

    Sorry, didn’t the report prove that most couldn’t give a rat’s ***? Hasn’t poll after poll after poll demonstrated that a majority of Americans support a repeal of DADT? So…what’s your point?

  • adajam

    I agree completely, erieangel.

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