"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Repeal Hopes Crash And Burn

The Senate — for the second time this fall — blocked an effort to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” Thursday afternoon. The move all but kills any chance of over-turning the 17-year old ban on gays serving openly in the U.S. military for the foreseeable future.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid criticized Republican opponents of the change, who were able to thwart Democratic efforts to bring up the proposed repeal for a vote as part of next year’s defense bill. “Repealing would make our military stronger — it doesn’t make America safer to discharge troops with critically-needed skills, and that is exactly what has happened,” the Nevada Democrat said. “The other side may feel passionately that our military should sanction discrimination based on sexual orientation, but they’re clearly in the minority.”

While the GOP did not have the 51 votes needed to strip the repeal proposal from the defense bill, they were able to corral enough votes to block consideration of the entire defense bill. That has left a military pay raise — as well as needed weapons for the wars — hostage to the impasse, Reid said. The 57-40 procedural vote was three short of the 60 needed move to debate on the overall defense bill — and the gay ban. Not only does the vote spell the end for trying to lift the ban any time soon — next year’s GOP-controlled House will be less hospitable to such a change — but it also means the Pentagon will probably be funded under a “continuing resolution” that simply continues current spending levels.

“This was a major failure on the part of the Senate to simply do its job and pass an annual defense authorization bill,” said Alexander Nicholson, of the pro-repeal Servicemembers United, and a former Army interrogator who was discharged under the policy. “Politics prevailed over responsibility today, and now more than one million American service members, including tens of thousands of gay and lesbian troops, are worse off as a result.”

“Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” was a congressional slap at the Clinton White House’s impertinence to let openly gay men and women serve in uniform without ensuring lawmakers — or men and women in uniform — were ready for such a change. But that was back in 1993, nearly a generation ago. Back then, only 44 percent of the public supported openly gay men and women in uniform. It’s now supported by 75 percent, according to a Washington Post poll. Things had looked good for ending the ban until recently. In February, Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, declared the policy obsolete. Then Defense Secretary Robert Gates eased its enforcement, followed by the House voting 234-194 to end it.

While the Pentagon’s recently released survey of troops showed that 70 percent of them didn’t think ending the ban would be a big deal, front-line combat troops were far more leery of such a change. That was the glue that let anti-repeal senators stick to their guns.

Before President Clinton sent shudders through the military with his plan to let gay men and lesbian serve openly, the bar was simply a presidential decision. But determined to teach the Arkansas whippersnapper a lesson, lawmakers passed what came to be known as “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” No longer would recruits be asked if they were gay (“don’t ask”) — and barred from joining if they said they were. They could serve so long as they kept their mouths shut about their private lives (“don’t tell”). It was a crude compromise, which still allowed the military to kick out 14,000 troops since its passage, including more than 400 last year while the nation was waging two wars.

But since Gates recently tightened the rules for kicking out gay troops even more — now a politically-appointed Pentagon civilian leader has to approve each discharge — the number being let go has dropped to a trickle. The Palm Center, a think tank affiliated with the University of California at Santa Barbara, released an analysis today showing that 87 percent of the allied troops serving alongside U.S. forces in Afghanistan allow gays to serve openly. “This Pentagon data shows once more that American troops serve alongside openly gay British, Canadian and Australian troops every day in Afghanistan,” said Palm Center Director Aaron Belkin. “The facts on the ground, in combat, speak for themselves.”

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  • jsfox

    Voting against

    Brown (R) – He is now toast in MA
    Murkowski (R) Is for repeal but toed the party line on a no vote until taxes are voted on
    And the new DINO from WV Joe Manchin

    Now they are going to get what just the DoD doesn’t want repeal via court order.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Again :(

    What else is there to say?

  • newfreedomblog

    This is sad news. Truly sad sad news.

  • virginiagentleman

    Agreed. Yet more unnecessary dysfunction. A sad display of stupidity and gutlessness by a wide variety of people who are supposed to be our leaders.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Agreed. Thanks for posting in this thread.

  • newfreedomblog

    We always have showtunes to lighten our hearts. Enjoy!
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  • charlieromeobravo

    And here we are again. Nothing gets done until the Republicans secure extended hand outs for their rich buddies.

  • Buzz Feedback

    I wonder what Collins will get Manchin for XMAS since he gave her the cover to vote yes (after dragging her procedural ass for weeks, or course.)

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Brown (R) – He is now toast in MA”
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    Last I heard (I think ) is that Brown was polling very well. This vote would change things that much?

  • jsfox

    It now being rumored that Collins and Lieberman are going to introduce a stand alone DADT repeal bill. Whether they can do it and get it voted on before the lame duck session is done is a big question.

    Some are pissed at Harry for pushing this before all the votes were secured or before the Tax vote which would have given them at least Brown, Murkowski and probably Snowe

  • grape_crush

    “We’re your US Senate! We don’t have to vote on legislation, we only have to vote on whether or not we vote to consider legislation!”

    (said breathlessly, with a circus calliope playing ‘Pop Goes the Weasel’ in the background)

  • jsfox

    In MA yes. He is polling well because he has moderated. MA is a gay marriage state and this is the kind of vote that motivates the Dems to get out and vote unlike the election where he won.

  • pelhamite1

    Myself, I am all right with this simply because a vote was taken. The Republicans were forced to take a stand on an issue where I believe they are in a distinct minority (and a perfideous Democrat or two was exposed). You cannot ask more of Harry Reid than that. Get them on record, time after time, whether it be their opposition to a START Treaty that even the evagelical church deems to be necessary; the DREAM Act (important not just to the growing Hispanic population but the even more quickly growing Asian population), the cut-off of unemployment assistance, cap and trade, all of it. If the Democrats cannot win due to the insanely archaic rules of the Senate, they can at least shine a pitiless light on what the Republicans have become.

  • freeinpa

    So let me get this straight:

    1) Team Donkey controls the House and the Senate

    2) They have controlled both for 2 years

    3)THey didn’t want to bring it to a up or down vote as a stand alone bill

    4) gutless Reid wanted to bury it in the Defense bill in order to try and extort Republicans to vote for the bill with this in it.

    5)Team Donkey couldn’t get it to pass so its the Republicans fault.

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    The Delusions continue!~

  • Michael Dance

    Actually, I’m pretty sure it went like this:

    -The democrats vote for repeal.

    -The republicans vote against repeal.

    -You do the mental gymnastics required to make that the democrats’ fault.

    I get your point, I really do, but let’s look at the bigger picture.

  • mbrookens

    Sadly we are still a nation of small-minded cowardly homophobes. Way to FAIL, Senate. I thought you were supposed to be F’ing progressive.

  • GivenUp

    57 out of 100 Senators voted for repeal and public opinion polls say 75% of people support repeal, chalk this one up to senate rules and the Republican party.

  • GivenUp

    Also, what happens to the defense bill now? I’m assuming the wars will get funded somehow but anyone have guess as to how?

  • Cliff

    This just in, Republicans hate gay people.
    .
    Next up after the commercial break, dog bites man.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Thanks jsfox.

  • tyrantking

    I’m not saying that the two are related in anyway, but it is interesting to me that the service member believed to have leaked the wikileaks documents to wikileaks was a homosexual soldier who had become disillusioned with the military. It is also believed that a relationship he was in had recently ended prior to the leak.

    So here’s my wild postulation:

    What if it were the stress of serving under DADT that led to his break-up and disillusionment with the military which then led to the leak?

    Wouldn’t it be astoundingly ironic if DADT had contributed to the leak? Because aren’t the same people claiming both that the leak has endangered our country and military AND that repealing DADT would harm our military? DADT=Wikileaks=harm to our military?

    I don’t know.

  • tyrantking

    Magic?

    A continuing funding resolution:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuing_resolution

  • freeinpa

    “The democrats vote for repeal.

    -The republicans vote against repeal.

    -You do the mental gymnastics required to make that the democrats’ fault.”
    .
    Unless you suck at math there is no mental gymnastics. Dumos outnumber Republicans in both houses.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    OT but is there a more vivid symbol of “I’ve got your austerity!” than the smashed window of Prince Charles’ car?

  • Paul-no not that one

    More OT-jc your Orioles got a better than decent, when healthy, SS today and Brenden Harris who is pretty much a light hitting Luke Scott.
    .
    A little Luke Scott for those who don’t know him-
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    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/08/luke-scott-obama-does-not-represent-america-he-was-not-born-here/

  • tyrantking

    You might be overlooking the giant pink elephant in the room known as parliamentary procedure and the filibuster. Controling a broken system doesn’t mean much. But you’re right, things will be much better for the next two years with the GOP in control of the house, the Dems in control of the Senate and the Big O in charge of the White House.

  • apr2563

    The peasants are in revolt.

  • apr2563
  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    The right is blocking every piece of legislation and the media is still lecturing Democrats on the need to compromise. It’s like one of those nightmare existential novels you read in high school.

  • apr2563

    Monty Python:
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    The peasants sass King Arthur.
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  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello
  • apr2563

    Well, let’s try this.
    .

  • Paul-no not that one

    You know I am so dead to how bad the media is that your point hadn’t occurred to me.
    .
    And the republicans to their credit (I guess) aren’t hiding the fact that tax cuts for the upper 2% trump everything else.
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    Healthcare for 9/11 first responders-nope.
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    Equal rights for people who want to serve and sacrifice for this country-sorry.
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    And these are issues that would pass a simple majority but they get blocked…for tax cuts (beyond the first $250,000) for the top 2%.
    .
    So anyway….what’s Sarah Palin up to?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Your finger slipped Mr Maiello, you hit the “?” at the end of your sentence.

  • 3xfire3

    Good point.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Maybe I watch too much CNN but they spend all their time talking about compromise and the middle, although most of them are too ignorant to actually define what it is, and how divided Democrats are. The Left, obviously, plays the role of Satanic force. Not a peep is said about the fact that this entire thing is being caused by the fascistic loyalty the Republicans have to billionaires. In fact, I can’t remember the last time they had a Republican on and asked them any questions at all, not to mention tough questions. Questions like, why is borrowing billions of dollars to give to the rich the only important issue right now.

  • 3xfire3

    As Paul Harvey would always say “And here is the rest of the story”.
    .
    But Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) — who had protracted negotiations with Reid to win yes votes from her and perhaps five more Republicans, which would have decisively broken the stalemate — accused him of abandoning their talks at the last minute, essentially condemning the legislation to defeat.
    .

    “I was extremely disappointed that the Senate majority leader walked away from negotiations in which we were engaged and which were going well,” she said. “There was a clear path forward.”
    .
    Funny how the facts and the complete story change the perceptions.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46208.html#ixzz17fL6H3n2

  • Paul-no not that one

    I haven’t had CNN on in years (literally) so I’ll focus on our hosts.
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    “Jay Newton-Small is the congressional correspondent for TIME.”
    .
    Tax and spending issues dominate the week. Add in DADT and nothing moving in Congress.

    So naturally JNS has the cover story in TIME. Just as naturally the subject is a half term governor who currently holds no elected office.

  • Paul-no not that one

    From your link-
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    “This is what happens when your Republican party decides that reauthorizing everything we need to do for our military is less important than making sure you get that tax break from everyone’s second million,” (Sen. Claire McCaskill D-Mo.) said, referring to GOP intransigence over an extension of the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy.

  • chrisnbama

    This isn’t much of a set back. Anyone with any gray matter knows that the GOP wants this issue decided by the Courts so they can run against those “Unelected Judges” making life uncomfortable for our homophobic service members.

    The irony is that the military is full of gays. When I was in the Navy, we had several open gays on our ship. They served with the same zeal as anyone else, and got along with everyone. There were a few knuckle-draggers on the ship that liked to make trouble now and again, but that’s life, right?

    Anyway, Obama should instruct the Justice Department to drop the appeal and let the Court’s ruling stand. The policy is unconstitutional and discriminatory, and it shouldn’t be upheld one moment longer.

  • shepherdwong

    The right is blocking every piece of legislation and the media is still lecturing Democrats on the need to compromise.
    .
    Where have you been? Congressional Republicans, with the help of FOX News and the rest of the right-wing lie machine, have been actively undermining or outright blocking legislation for the express purpose of undermining the US economy to harm Democrats for their own political and financial gain for nearly two years. Why do you think I call them traitors? It’s not hyperbole.
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    And the media treats them like good, honest, upstanding public servants or, at least, not like miserable lying traitors. It’s a problem. And it’s been a problem for a long time now.

  • 4chris10s

    Those crazy homophobes who get all bent out of shape over a little decadence, a little deviant lifestyle that might result in an occasional bit of disease that my tax dollars have to treat . Thank whoever, a little sanity has returned to the Hill.

  • textee

    Time magazine dutifully and predictably quotes a fool like Fairy Reid but conveniently fails to identify Fairy Reid as the anti-U.S. military militant who gave aid and comfort to America’s enemies in Iraq by declaring that America’s military in Iraq had “lost” to America’s enemies in Iraq.

    Had Fairy Reid been in the U.S. Senate during World War II, Fairy Reid would have been on every street corner declaring that America’s military had “lost” the war to its enemies.

    Keep up the pimpin’, Time magazine.

  • mikew67

    With the suicides amongst, and heinous violence against the LGBT community, the situation of politicans and pundits railing against them has to now be looked at seriously.

    These bigots of course existed in previous eras, trying to oppress other minorities.

    It is time to single them out as fearmongers and instigators. As the GOP apologist Bill O’Reilly once said of any journalist who dared challenge the Iraq invasion, “You’ll be spotlighted”…

    Balkingpoints / www

  • textee

    Do Gates and Mullen still plan on leading so-called “Gay Pride” parades at Fort Benning and Fort Bragg?

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    I guess I just keep expecting them to stop doing it, because it is so obvious that they are doing it and yet, they don’t. But then again, look at this blog. Has their been even one thread highlighting the right’s utter hypocrisy and radical, unyielding extremism, on the tax cut issue?

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Paul, thanks for trade info. The Scott rant, not so much, but if we were throw all the republicans out of MLB…
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    Apr, priceless!

  • roccojohnson

    It’s amusing to me to listen to all of the partisan relativists here yammering on about obstructionism from the opposing side, and a conspiratorial media allowing, perhaps even encouraging them. Forty years ago Buffalo Springfield cynically sang “nobody’s right, if everybody’s wrong,” and in a relativistic sense it still applies today.

    Listen, I’m heterosexual, but I have family and other friends I love who’re gay, yet in spite of that I have no real opinion on “DADT.” I do, however, have to wonder why any sane homosexual would wish to serve openly in the testosterone laden, male-dominated culture of the military.

    Seriously, the armed forces don’t seem to be the ideal environment for a gay person to feel comfortable living openly. Who is the first guy who’s going to raise his hand and admit that he’s gay? I’ve never been in the military, but two of my brothers were in the Special Forces, and I heard plenty of tales about “sock parties,” and “blanket parties,” where the weak or suspected homosexuals soldiers were beaten by bars of soap in a sock, or a group of recruits trapping someone in his rack by pinning him with his blanked over his head, and everyone else beating the hell out of him, without the soldier being able to identify who was doing the beating. If the soldier knew what was good for him he wasn’t going to report such an incident, either.

    Look, after decades of supposed “equality,” in the military, the majority of females serving claim to have been discriminated against, harassed and/or abused. It makes no matter what the military’s official policy is toward gays serving openly, I would contend that even if they are given that right, most homosexuals would not choose to exercise it.

  • Cliff

    Yes.

  • http://jcapan.wordpress.com jcapan

    Dude, didn’t you know the above photo is from one of the parades!? If you turn your monitor around you’ll see their little camo-assless chaps

  • apr2563

    posts 20 and 21 tell us all we need to know about the reactionary right.

  • Alex Vallas

    Another example of the GOP hyprocrisy and bigotry. When they all vote en masse, do you wonder if any of them besides Collins have a brain of their own? Monkey See – Monkey Do…. It is pathetic that the United States is acting more like the Fundamentalist Muslims than Americans on this score.
    I have served in the military with gays and it was never a problem. Live and let live… I seriously doubt if most gays will come out even if the law was passed. The point is they can have a relationship without fear of discharge. The US has lost a lot of highly qualified linguist as a result of this policy.
    My personal concern is more directed to promoting discrimination by the GOP. It is a good thing that Blacks were integrated in the services years ago. I highly doubt if that would pass today with the GOP that includes so many racists.

  • artraveler

    Let’s put the Defense bill on the shelf and bring everyone home. That is one thing that Harry Reid can do.

    The alternative is that there is nothing in the Constitution that says that Senators have to be home for Christmas or even New Year’s. Keep them in session, around the clock, through the week-ends and the holidays and do quorum calls every hour at some unpredicted time. Let them pay the price. There is a lot of business that has been blocked by the Republicans and dredge them all up and them keep them busy. Maybe some of the DINOs will decide which party they belong to, including Pryor of Arkansas.

    It is time for Reid to play hardball with his party and the rest of those who probably ought to just stay home since voting not to consider votes could be done by not showing up also.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Go O’s! Maybe we’ll hit 500 this year.

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    Conservative’s know what our fighting men want AND don’t want. They ARE doing this for the military!

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    The boys in the trenches will tell you they’ve lost nothing. This is your issue. So sad that if it weren’t for this DADT crap, they’d be right where they were before, just a little footnote in the background. This is NOT the most important issue concerning our miltary today, it shouldn’t even be on the radar screen. Only your sick “compassionate”, “diverse” lefty looney mindset keeps it in the forefront.
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    How’s that race card thing working out for ya?

  • http://2thirdsrocks.wordpress.com 2thirdsrocks

    The republicans have shown themselves to be a pain in the ass every step of the way, on every little thing Democrats have tried to accomplish, and what has it gotten them besides a WHOLE lotta votes from the American people in the midterms…

  • highcheef

    Yay!! God hates queer soldiers so he kills the straight ones with IEDs. YAY!!!! We won!! The homos will just have to do their homo stuff here stateside while our young, verile, masculine, “6 o’clock straight” soldiers serve as cannon fodder so we can win our war against the socialist, commie, fascist, muslims that hate our freedom (that we refuse to give to gay soldiers to serve in the military)!! Another victory for the campassionate conservative real americans!

  • hippooath

    “The boys in the trenches will tell you they’ve lost nothing. This is your issue. So sad that if it weren’t for this DADT crap, they’d be right where they were before, just a little footnote in the background. This is NOT the most important issue concerning our miltary today, it shouldn’t even be on the radar screen. Only your sick “compassionate”, “diverse” lefty looney mindset keeps it in the forefront.
    ..
    How’s that race card thing working out for ya?”
    .
    Except a majority of americans including military leadership and grunts don’t care.
    .
    I thought a ‘majority’ meant for something since you and others have spent years yammering about the voice of the majority as it’s gospel. I personally think wrong is wrong, but here’s one case where right means majority just fine.
    .
    Which leads me to believe that in the end it’s not ever about right, facts or majority for you. It’s what you believe, everything else be damned.

  • http://jzpt.wordpress.com jazz648

    Cliff: Correction: Some of us Americans, some not Republican, don’t like the image of effeminate men or masculine women in uniform. THAT is very different from being “homophobic”.

  • http://jzpt.wordpress.com jazz648

    tyrantking: I’ve also thought about the homosexual connection to the document dump by Wikileaks and would give the fact that Manning is gay a different spin. Briefly, the now PFC (he was an Army specialist), upon enlistment, wasn’t asked nor did he tell he was gay. Fact is, his father threw him out because of his homosexuality (not acceptable). Later, he had an “openly gay” relationship that failed but apparently went undetected by the authorities. At that point, he “told”; he was in violation of DADT. He was not the object of a “witch hunt” so the authorities cannot be accused of overzealousness. If anything is true, there was no pressure on Manning other than the depression he was experiencing from a relationship “gone south”. Conclusion: the same result (arrest for a serious crime) but for different reasons.

  • http://erieangel.wordpress.com erieangel

    Many people, gay and straight join the military because it is the only avenue open to them to better their lives. That is one of the many problems of an all volunteer army. Most recruits, especially in today’s economy, come from the poorest population of our society. They can’t afford college and can’t find work because most of the factory and other non-specialized jobs have moved over seas. So these young men and women whose parents have been struggling even when the economy was fairly good, go with the only option open to them, the military. My BIL did it in 1978 and another did it 1986. My son has thought about join, but he’s gay and decided not to unless DADT is repealed.

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