Latest On Gays In The Military…and Where It Could Lead

As expected, the Obama Administration has gone to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to appeal a lower court’s ruling that “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” is unconstitutional and ordering the government to stop its enforcement. Federal District Court Judge Virginia Phillips made her ruling final Tuesday.

Marines in Ramadi, Iraq, last month / DoD

The Administration says:

The district court’s decision holding that an Act of Congress is invalid on its face and permanently enjoining enforcement of the statute anywhere in the world itself causes the government the kind of irreparable injury that is routinely the basis for stays pending appeal…The President strongly supports repeal of the statute that the district court has found unconstitutional, a position shared by the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Although the Administration has called for a repeal of the statute, it has made clear that repeal should not occur without needed deliberation, advance planning, and training.

A decision could come at any time. While the 9th Circuit is perhaps the most liberal in the nation, judges have long been leery of treading on the military’s turf. They have been sensitive to the military’s desire to promote what it terms “good order and discipline.” Not knowing an M-16 from an F-16, the judiciary has refrained from getting involved in military matters for just that reason.

While that standard may be apt on the battlefield, it has become part of the so-called Feres doctrine created by the Supreme Court a half-century ago. The doctrine bars servicemen and women — or their survivors — from suing the government if some boneheaded decision (there are so few of them) gets them injured or killed, even if negligence is involved. And Feres gave birth to the so-called government contractor’s defense. That’s where contractors essentially are immunized from suit for designing dangerous weapons, by blaming such designs on the government, even when the contractor holds the patents on said designs.

For the contractors, it’s a “Heads I win, tails you lose” situation. For the troops involved, it’s the reverse.

Maybe if Judge Phillips’ intrusion into military matters emboldens her fellow jurists, troops who are maimed or killed by poorly-designed weapons might get a chance to reach for that brass ring of justice, too.

Related Topics: don't ask don't tell, feres, government contractor defense, National Security
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  • newfreedomblog

    In an attempt at pure over-kill, TIME.com and it’s gaggle of inept reporters continue the DADT meme. Day after day, post after post. Is it to completely move everything off topic to the point no one really cares anymore? That voters may forget how badly this Administration has governed? How many jobs have been lost since Obama took office? How far we are in debt to the Chinese?
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    Or, is it such an issue like calling all Tea Party folks racists, you believe the more you talk about it, the more people just might believe what it is you are attempting to do?

  • http://shortplaysaboutrealpeople.wordpress.com Michael Maiello

    “Intrusion into military matters.” Interesting language. Not, strictly speaking, the language of a civilian ruled democracy, though.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Rusty, this is an extremely important even in American history. Just because it doesn’t fit Your desired story arc, doesn’t mean it isn’t relevant to our society and a topic which should be reported on.
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    Quit being a whiny sh↑t.

  • newfreedomblog

    gummy:
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    Less than 10% of our entire population is gay or lesbian. Of that figure, less than 1% of them join the military.
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    If you went by the number of posts this site has done on DADT one would have the impression it affects 90% of the population.
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    It is a NON-ISSUE. But, in order to rabble-rouse the Democrat base, our dear friends at TIME.com will keep up this absurd posting of bogus bullcrap in order to advert people’s eyes from what is really important and what really needs to be discussed.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    The stripping of basic rights of American citizens is not a non issue no matter how many people it is happening to. And by your statistics which you magically pulled out of your @ss, that’s ~307,006 citizens (15 xs the size of the Iraq troop surge) who can’t server their nation and are being deprived of basic rights.
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    This is not a democratic issue, it is a human one & you are a conceited @ss.

  • jsfox

    Well I am glad to hear it is a non issue. If is such a non issue why are so many Republicans dead set against it going away?

    And here is a suggestion, don’t like what Time reporters write here don’t read it, don’t come here.

    The fact is you love what they write because it gives you an opportunity to whine incessantly.

  • newfreedomblog

    In other news…. George Soros is back at it again. He donates 1 million dollars to the far left liberal extremist site, Media Matters.
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    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/20/soros-donates-1-million-to-media-matters/?partner=rss&emc=rss
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    And the left thinks we should be worried about the Chamber of Commerce. HA!!

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    Again, a bit off topic. Isn’t this what morning must reads is for?

  • hippooath

    ” far left liberal extremist site, Media Matters.”
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    What does that mean? Far left liberal extremist? Because they expose the hyperbole and extremism of the right???

  • newfreedomblog

    A little more about George Soros:
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    http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/2010/06/24/who-is-george-soros/
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    “György Schwartz, better known to the world as George Soros, was born August 12, 1930 in Hungary . Soros’ father, Tivadar, was a fervent practitioner of the Esperanto a language invented in 1887, and designed to be the first global language, free of any national identity.
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    The Schwartz’s, who were non-practicing Jews, changed the family name to Soros, in order to facilitate assimilation into the gentile population, as the Nazis spread into Hungary during the 1930s.
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    When Hitler’s henchman Adolf Eichmann arrived in Hungary , to oversee the murder of that country’s Jews, George Soros ended up with a man whose job was confiscating property from the Jewish population. Soros went with him on his rounds.
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    Soros has repeatedly called 1944 “the best year of his life.”
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    “70% of Mr. Soros’s fellow Jews in Hungary , nearly a half-million human beings, were annihilated in that year, yet he gives no sign that this put any damper on his elation, either at the time or indeed in retrospect.”
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    During an interview with “Sixty Minute’s” Steve Kroft, Soros was asked about his “best year:”
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    KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
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    SOROS: Yes. Yes.
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    KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from your fellow Jews, friends and neighbors.
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    SOROS: Yes. That’s right. Yes.
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    KROFT: I mean, that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
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    SOROS: Not, not at all. Not at all, I rather enjoyed it.
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    KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
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    SOROS: No, only feelings of absolute power.
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    In his article, Muravchik describes how Soros has admitted to having “carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in trouble.”

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    “Spooky Dude” indeed.

  • m0mentom0ri

    “Less than 10% of our entire population is gay or lesbian.”
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    A) What percentage of the population benefit from the top tier Bush tax cuts you’re such a big fan of? Less than 10% maybe?
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    B) Glenn Beck averages slightly under 2 million viewers per episode. Since its not that many people by percentage, I say we ban them all from Military service. Rusty’s already agreed its not a big enough percentage to matter, so I’m sure he agrees.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Its not that Rusty actually cares about the corruptible influence of money in the American political system. After all, nary a word from him about the Koch Brothers or the “U.S.” Chamber of Commerce. He’s just upset that for once a billionaire isn’t backing HIS team.
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    I’d normally call that hypocrisy, but its Rusty. I expect him to a party loyalist first and foremost.

  • http://gum0nshoe.wordpress.com gumOnShoe

    I don’t get it. I’ve met blind people before who refuse to acknowledge the opposite side, but Rusty here goes beyond all of them. I’m not saying that there couldn’t be something wrong with his brain that actually forces him to behave this way, but it’d make a whole lot more sense if he was actually paid to do this day in or day out or saw some sort of advantage in it for himself.

  • newfreedomblog

    Oh never to fear gummy. My main and only motivation is to see that people like George Soros are exposed. That the far left is also exposed, and that their agenda to destroy our great country is stopped.
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    That Sir, you can count on each and everyday from me.
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    Enjoy!!
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    :)

  • hippooath

    “My main and only motivation is to see that people like George Soros are exposed. That the far left is also exposed, and that their agenda to destroy our great country is stopped.”
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    Did you mean anyones agenda to destroy this great country or just left; assuming you think that right don’t have an agenda to destroy this great country? What is so scary about left getting money compared to right getting money? Are you telling me that bribery on the left is somehow different from bribery on the right?
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    You keep saying enjoy so I assume you somehow made a point, but you escape the most obvious one…it really doesn’t matter where you see yourself on the politicals scale as money perverts everything it touches. The only conclusion that I can make is that you don’t care. You don’t want what’s best for America, you want what is best for you and your side, regardless if it’s all the same anyways.

  • 11charlie

    I thought that this was a thread about DADT, and not Soros.
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    Speaking of which, I am still waiting for a good reason as to why gays should be banned from openly serving in the military.

  • sacredh

    10% of the population would be 30,700,000. Almost 2/3 of the entire vote count that McCain/Palin got in 2008. You’d almost think they could swing an election if they got p!ssed off and marginalized enough.
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    Let the republicans make Blacks, Latinos, gays and other groups feel like they’re not welcome. I’m sure they can ride the angry white vote forever.

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