War Coming Over Defense Spending

Pentagon spending has been shielded from cuts ever since 9/11. Amid a public numbed by economic woes and fed up with the war in Afghanistan and the non-war in Iraq, get ready for the first defense-spending showdown of the 21st Century. Such a battle royale requires arsenals, and each side is busy rolling out its weapons:

– If you believe the nation needs to keep spending, here’s your cheat sheet Defending Defense: Setting the Record Straight on U.S. Military Requirements — released Thursday.

 

V-22 tilt-rotor lifts off from a ship / DoD

 

– If you think we’re spending too much, check out Debt, Deficits, and Defense: A Way Forward, which argues that $1 trillion — nearly 17 percent — can be cut from the Pentagon budget over the coming decade without harming national security.

There is some concern in the military-industrial complex that usually-reliable Republican support for more defense spending may fray if Tea Party supporters — some of whom have expressed isolationist views — become a major GOP force following next month’s mid-term elections. Political commentator Pat Buchanan warns that the “Warfare state” may be in for a tough fight because Tea Party folks are less likely to march in lockstep with a Pentagon that is now spending $700 billion a year and wants more.

But proposed cuts never happen in a vacuum, as Defense Secretary Robert Gates is learning anew. The poor fellow can’t even cut a couple of rinky-dink entities without setting off a nuclear war with Congress. The House Armed Services Committee complained to the defense chief this week that his unilateral move to abolish the Pentagon’s Joint Forces Command — whose 6,000 jobs makes it relatively small potatoes — could be blocked by Congress unless Gates coughs up more data to justify his decision to shutter the place. Lawmakers have learned of something called the “Joint Forces Command Disestablishment Working Group,” Rep. Ike Skelton, the panel’s chairman, told Gates in a letter. “Needless to say,” he added sadly, “the committee is deeply disappointed that it had to obtain this document from sources outside the Department.”

 

B-29s over North Korea / DoD

 

On Thursday, hundreds of GE employees — as well as Ohio Democratic Gov. Ted Strickland, Democratic Rep. Steve Driehaus and Republican Rep. Jean Schmidt — held a rally in Evendale, Ohio, calling on the Pentagon keep funding the company’s efforts to develop a second engine for the military’s new F-35 jet. Driehaus told the crowd that White House officials have threatened to keep him off the GE-powered Air Force One if he doesn’t stop his incessant lobbying for the locally-built engines. “My response was, ‘I don’t care,’” he told the rally. “My job is fighting about your jobs.” (Hmmmm…perhaps Buchanan has a point about that “Warfare state”.)

Backers of the additional power plant have said dual suppliers are needed to assure the plane is never grounded if one engine (like that one being built by Pratt & Whitney) develops problems, and to generate savings through competition. But Gen. Norton Schwartz, the Air Force chief of staff, dismissed both points this week. If GE and its Rolls-Royce partner are so sure of their engine’s ultimate merit, the Air Force’s top officer said, they shouldn’t ask taxpayers to pay nearly $2 billion to develop it. And today’s engines don’t fall apart like older models did. “These are much more reliable, much better products than they were in the ’80s,” Schwartz said.

Better be careful where you deploy that logic, sir. Someone might want to apply it to the U.S. nuclear triad. That’s our half-century-old force of submarine-launched missiles, bombers and land-based ICBMs. It’s a redundant force designed to make sure no enemy could wipe out all of our atomic weapons and leave us unable to retaliate in kind. Yet even with the big drop in nukes that has occurred because of our arms-control agreements with Russia, we still maintain the Cold War triad. Two of the triad’s three legs, General Schwartz, belong to your Air Force. Tell us which one you’re willing to give up, and we’ll start taking you seriously.

Related Topics: Air force, defense spending, National Security
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  • michaelfury

    “The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.

    It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals.

    It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement.

    We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.

    We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.

    This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking.”

    - Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1953

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/forever-war/

  • square1

    There is some concern in the military-industrial complex that usually-reliable Republican support…

    Look out, freeper’s head is about to explode.

  • michaelfury

    “Pentagon spending has been shielded from cuts ever since 9/11.”

    Because 19 guys managed to smuggle boxcutters onto airliners, overwhelm their passengers and crews, fly unopposed through US airspace and strike 75% of their targets with “military” precision?

    Makes perfect sense to me.

    http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/blue-skies-from-pain/

  • centfan

    They still have bombers as part of the nuke triad? I’d think a cruise missle nuke would vaporize any airbase we have before the pilots could grab their bag lunches out of the ready-room refrigerator.
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    It seems that the Pentagon always shoots for base closures first knowing that the media will parade all the barbers and day care providers lamenting about how they won’t have the joy of serving our folks in uniform and how the local community will collapse. Low and behold the money is found and the base never closes… and killing a multi-billion dollar project to study how many mothers actually wear combat boots is even harder.
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    I’m not against a few (a few) high profile, high tech projects, even if they’re more symbol than practical substance. I’d rather have a poster of an F-35 on the garage wall for inspiration than a nice view of a light-rail project… but there is no reason we can’t have both. I’d love for our soldiers to finally get mech-suit exoskeletons (a’la Avatar).
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    I’m sure with some practical, open-minded consideration we can fine tune the budget… oh, nevermind…

  • textee

    Mark Thompson asserts: “There is some concern in the military-industrial complex that usually-reliable Republican support for more defense spending may fray if Tea Party supporters — some of whom have expressed isolationist views ….”

    In predictable, Time magazine fashion, Thompson’s assertion contains no evidence.

    Go back to pimping lawless, leftist political activists appointed by Democrats (e.g., Boy Clinton and Obamao) to serve as federal so-called “judges” who want to impose their own radical, anti-American cult on the United States military.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    The poor fellow can’t even cut a couple of rinky-dink entities without setting off a nuclear war with Congress.
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    Y’know, Ike’s original phrase was the ” military-industrial-congressional complex.”
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    As I understand it, he didn’t want to be seen as taking a shot at Congress in his parting message, so he edited that word out.
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    MIC + the Cult of the Presidency + excessive interventionism born of a belief in our omnipotence and inherent righteousness = pretty dangerous.

  • freeinpa

    Once again we have a liberal speaking out his a*s. Nothing new there. There is waste in defense spending as there is any EVERY government department and agency. The Defense department is no exempt. Unlike the left who believes if we are not a war (and of course they believe there is no war worth fighting), the defense budget should approach zero. But of course spending for every entitlement (plus any new ones) is sacrosanct.

  • diecash1

    But of course spending for every entitlement defense project (plus any new ones) is sacrosanct.
    ..
    Fixed.

  • Ivy_B

    Despite all the publicity of the cuts that Gates proposed, it is rarely noted that he was only cutting from one area in order to add it to a different area. He wasn’t cutting funding in order for it to go back to the treasury.

  • freeinpa

    No its not fixed. The defense spending needs to be reduced to address defense and security needs and not Congressional pork (Rep & Dem). Difference Team Donkey views it as pork and not vital, constitution be damned

  • afguy

    That’s what all of those SAC bases are located in the heartland, miles from nowhere. It takes time for an ICBM (15 minutes or so – longer for a cruise missile-subsonic) to get there. Manned bombers are on their way by then. ICBMs are gone much faster.
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    What you said would apply to the bases near the coasts – toast in short order because of the sub-based launches a few miles offshore.
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    It’s what keeps us from starting a war with each other – the certainty that we can’t get ALL of each other’s missile forces, leaving enough to survive to wipe out the other several times over.
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    MAD – mutually-assured destruction

  • diecash1

    Difference Team Donkey views it as pork and not vital, constitution be damned

    That’s merely a bogus right-wing talking point with no basis in fact. Show me where a Dem Congress critter said all defense spending is pork and “not vital.” Utterly ridiculous.
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    While you’re at it, show me the Repub that is actively looking to make significant cuts to defense spending in order to “address defense and security needs.” I would bet such a Repub doesn’t exist.

  • afguy

    Not cutting – shuffling.

  • freeinpa

    “Show me where a Dem Congress critter said all defense spending is pork and “not vital.” Utterly ridiculous.”
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    No what is utterly ridiculous is “we support the troops but not the war”. That is give us the defense spending in our district but not what its used to do.

  • freeinpa

    “born of a belief in our omnipotence and inherent righteousness”
    .
    Is it that same inherent righteousness that forbids the sale of soda in schools, force the purchase of HC insurance, stop McDonald’s from including toys in Happy Meals – that righteousness?

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Yes, public schools failing to give children unhealthy food is very much like invading a country for no reason, killing 100,000 civilians and 4400 American servicemen and -women. Very astute point.

  • diecash1

    Nice attempt at misdirection. So you can’t point out a Dem or Repub that fits either respective characterization?

  • sasquatch08

    Without bothering to read the cheat sheets here I’ll say this.
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    There a numerous problems with the Defense Industry; redundancy, moving to fast in one direction or another or many at the same time, delays, cost overruns, politicians pet projects… the list goes on.
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    How to fix these problems is a sticky wicket because there are companies that want the money from these projects and politicians on both sides who want them to get money for fear of the jobs that might be lost in their state/district if things change.
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    There is an argument for redundancy I suppose, but the cost needs to be scrutinized carefully.
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    Delays and cost overruns happen, welcome to life. Though it would seem little is being done to minimize these occurrences.
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    There’s also a problem with the military brass changing what they want in terms of capabilities in the middle of production. Just look what happened with the Bradley Armored Fighting Vehicle.
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    And finally you’ve got those pet projects with Congress allocating billions of dollars for programs the Pentagon says outright it doesn’t want or need.

  • carpevis

    Now, the article notwithstanding (since the bloat at the pentagon will never go away regardless of how many congressmen think it’s a good idea because special interest money will keep alive pork until it has rotted off the bone, then walk away with fat bankrolls and nothing for the people to see to show for it), I can’t help but wonder why folks who are so adamantly right wing, so hateful about their views, are posting HERE in the first place.

    Why risk your aneurysms blowing out here? You always complain about the left-wing-media bias. You know your tiny right-wing biased voice isn’t going to be heard here, shouted down by the moderates and the left-wingers (well, okay, to YOU, they’re all left wingers). You know this site is left-wing (center-left, actually, but… well, never mind. No difference to you). Why do you read this stuff, let alone feel compelled to comment? Bad day looting retirees pension funds? Had a minority family move into the neighborhood? Did a loved one turn out to be homosexual? Did the pace of widening of the gap between the rich and the poor slow down?

    You see, I don’t bother reading stuff I know to be biased which claims otherwise. The general media has acknowledged a liberal tendency because to be otherwise risks our freedoms of expression, choice, and thought.

    Fox News is your home, people. Go there. Be happy. Let them tell you what you want to hear, tell you how to think, what to believe. After all, that’s what news is all about, right? Always hearing a point of view you believe in and support? Always demonizing the left wing. Never anything good or positive to say about left wing views. Go there. Stay there. Leave the thinking to the rest of us.

    Generally speaking, you’re just not well suited to it.

  • freeinpa

    No misdirection. Every day fact liberals despise the military. Listen to any Demo strategist as how we will cut the budget. Response: Defense and then we have to look at eliminating waste fraud and abuse elsewhere just not in there districts
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    n April 2009, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates noted noted that the United States, in the midst of waging two long wars, has yet to use the Raptor for a single mission in either of them.
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    yet
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    Liberal Democrats like Senators Edward M. Kennedy and John Kerry of Massachusetts had supported the purchases, arguing that the program would retain high-paying jobs in many districts nationwide.

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    No misdirection just fact. How did Kennedy and Kerry vote on the war? Kennedy not voting Kerry no

  • freeinpa

    So your solution is to have terrorists come to America and fill them with BIg Macs? Very astute point.

  • sasquatch08

    @carpevis
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    Who the heck are you yelling at with your aimless rant addressed to no one?

  • freeinpa

    “Who the heck are you yelling at with your aimless rant addressed to no one?”
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    Welcome to blogging with liberals!

  • herby002

    2.4 – free,

    diecash challenged you: “”While you’re at it, show me the Repub that is actively looking to make significant cuts to defense spending in order to “address defense and security needs.” I would bet such a Repub doesn’t exist.”

    You answered saying yours eas not a misdirection, and responded with a misdirection.

    He asked you again. You did not answer. I’ll ask again:
    “”While you’re at it, show me the Repub that is actively looking to make significant cuts to defense spending in order to “address defense and security needs.” I would bet such a Repub doesn’t exist.”

    Waiting…

  • herby002

    Welcome, carpevis.
    I have to admit that I’ve wanted to say a lot of what you write, but I can’t, in good conscience.
    Much as our esteemed opponents like to charge that this blog and its TIME host are are a den of leftist/Democratic/socialist/Nazi/communist/liberal/traitors out to destroy America (the last best hope of the ignorant world), it’s really a free speech arena where everybody is free to post his/her best ideas that relate to the topic.
    You obviously think the righties’ ideas(?) are mostly recycled garbage; I happen to agree with you.
    However, they have the right to post them here.
    I just wish they could demonstrate some capability to think logically, instead of reposting cribbed Repub talking points over and over.

    And I surely am frustrated by their repeated refusal to answer simple questions!

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