Alleged Fort Hood Shooter In Court Tuesday…oops, Wednesday

The man behind the fusillade of bullets that felled 13 people at Fort Hood last November enters the public spotlight for the first time starting Wednesday. That’s a 24-hour delay, granted by the military judge to give Maj. Nidal Hasan’s defense team until then to detail their request for postponing the legal proceeding until Nov. 8. Hasan is the Army psychiatrist and ardent Muslim who allegedly sprayed gunfire inside a deployment center at Fort Hood while shouting “Allahu akbar!” — God is great — before being shot and seriously wounded himself.

 

Maj. Nidal Hasan/Bell County Sheriff's Dept.

 

The so-called Article 32 hearing — which could last a month or more — will determine whether or not Hasan will face a court martial. The hearing is somewhat like a civilian grand jury proceeding but is open to the public. Both the prosecution and defense will be able to call witnesses. Hasan, 40, faces 13 murder counts and 32 attempted murder counts. He could be executed if convicted at a later trial. Many of the 32 he wounded are expected to testify.

It’s a safe bet Hasan, now paralyzed from the chest down, won’t be the only one on trial. Was he a “nut case,” acting alone and therefore making his violence difficult to foresee and impossible to thwart? Or did the known red flags — pro-Islamic comments in class, jotting “Allah willing” on a patient’s medical chart, e-mails to a radical imam in Yemen intercepted by U.S. authorities who said they were innocuous — signal a breakdown in U.S. intelligence that should have prevented the massacre?

A review panel appointed by Defense Secretary Robert Gates following the attack took note of missed warning signs involving Hasan and a lack of proper oversight by his superiors. But details have not been released.

Army prosecutors are expected to parade soldiers who were at the shooting scene last November 5 to offer up the most graphic and detailed accounting of that day yet. They will try to make clear that Hasan was the shooter and draw out all the details of the bloody 10-minute rampage. But Hasan’s attorney, retired Army Col. John Galligan, may raise questions about Hasan’s mental state at the time of the shootings.

With dozens of witnesses likely to identify Hasan as the shooter, Galligan may be compelled to claim his client was insane at the time. That may require him to delve into Nasan’s past to uncover disquieting signs that his client was a ticking time bomb that his Army superiors overlooked. But Galligan has complained that the Army has withheld documents containing such information from him, complicating any defense into Hasan’s mental stability. And there is a possibility that Hasan will reject an insanity defense, preferring instead to claim he was motivated by his faith. How much about Hasan’s motive emerges at the Article 32 hearing, rather than the trial, remains to be seen.

Several of Hasan’s colleagues at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, and at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., told reporters after the killings that Hasan spoke in class about how he felt the U.S. was at war with Muslims, and how he felt his Muslim faith took precedence over the U.S. Constitution he swore to uphold as a U.S. Army officer. To what extent, if any, the Army overlooked such comments remains unknown. Several of Hasan’s colleagues suggsted he was permitted to remain in uniform because of a dire lack of Army psychiatrists.

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  • liberalmeltdown

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33712858/ns/us_news-tragedy_at_fort_hood/
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    “We don’t know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts,” Obama said in a Rose Garden statement otherwise devoted to the economy.
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    Thanks for the lecture chief. Have you learned anything yet? about the shooting, or about the economy? About anything?
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    You don’t want anybody to learn anything. Why is that? Afraid of what will come out?
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    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/11/fort_hood_hearing_wont_include.html
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    White House won’t provide witnesses for Fort Hood hearing
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    By Ben Pershing
    The first public congressional hearing on the Fort Hood attack will not include testimony from any current federal law enforcement, military or intelligence officials because the Obama administration “declined to provide any” such witnesses, according to a Senate committee source.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    This is pretty irresponsible journalism, Mark Thompson.
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    Or did the known red flags — pro-Islamic comments in class, jotting “Allah willing” on a patient’s medical chart, e-mails to a radical imam in Yemen intercepted by U.S. authorities who said they were innocuous — signal a breakdown in U.S. intelligence that should have prevented the massacre?
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    You are aware that making “pro-Islamic” comments is not in any way a red flag, right? I make pro-Islamic, pro-Arab, pro-Palestinian comments rather frequently. Go ahead, flag me. I think Arabs have been treated pretty miserably by colonial powers and, most especially, by Israel. I think the Muslim world has become the target of too many people in need of some outlet for their anger. I think the Palestinian experience specifically is an example of just how inhumane mankind can be. This doesn’t suggest that I am going to go blow myself up, does it? Is that the connection you make in your mind? Hopefully not, Allah willing. Ah, sh*t, I just gave myself away again! Perhaps I’ll send some innocuous -you do know what that means, right?- emails to someone who makes not so innocuous comments. Guilty by association, I suppose. Has RICO gone all global on us? I thought that was a special injustice reserved for us Italians, but, damn, now we have to share with the Muslims?

  • liberalmeltdown

    Yes that part was the typical weak, repeat the same old line journalism. In reality, the emails were much more damning. I believe you understand.
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    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/major-hasans-mail-wait-join-afterlife/story?id=9130339
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    United States Army Major Nidal Hasan told a radical cleric considered by authorities to be an al-Qaeda recruiter, “I can’t wait to join you” in the afterlife, according to an American official with top secret access to 18 e-mails exchanged between Hasan and the cleric, .Anwar al Awlaki, over a six month period between Dec. 2008 and June 2009.
    Intercepted e-mails deemed innocent by the FBI detail possible terror relations.
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    “It sounds like code words,” said Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, a military analyst at the Center for Advanced Defense Studies. “That he’s actually either offering himself up or that he’s already crossed that line in his own mind.”
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    Other messages include questions, the official with access to the e-mails said, that include when is jihad appropriate, and whether it is permissible if there are innocents killed in a suicide attack.
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    “Hasan told Awlaki he couldn’t wait to join him in the discussions they would having over non-alcoholic wine in the afterlife,”
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    “I think the Muslim world has become the target of too many people in need of some outlet for their anger. I think the Palestinian experience specifically is an example of just how inhumane mankind can be.”
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    Really, how about the persecution and extermination of Jews and Christians even before Islam was a religion. The Palestinians are just a focus point for Jihad. If your Arab brothers and Islam brothers care so much for your Palestinian brothers, why don’t you take them in? You control land throughout the middle east, do you not? You mean that you cannot find room for your brothers? But, you want room to be made for you for your laws and your religion, yet you give nothing.
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    Why don’t you tell us the history of Islam in Egypt? How Muslims slaughtered millions of Christians, and still persecute them till this day. How about the latest offerings from Islam:
    2010.10.10 (Leheis, Iraq) – Sunni bombers take out three civilians by blasting their minibus.
    2010.10.10 (Paktya, Afghanistan) – Three young children and three women are among nine dismembered by a Taliban bomb.
    2010.10.10 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) – Islamists gun down a rival cleric and his assistant.
    2010.10.09 (Fallujah, Iraq) – Three brothers are pulled out of their home and shot execution style by al-Qaeda.
    2010.10.09 (Kabardino-Balkaria, Russia) – A court official is murdered by suspected Muslim gunmen while walking home.
    2010.10.09 (Yusufiya, Iraq) – Two civilians are shot to death in a Religion of Peace drive-by.

    .
    Or you could opine about the extermination of millions of Hindus in the 1970s: I can go on and on:
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    Complete genocide
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    “Genocide” means the intentional attempt to destroy an ethnic community, or by extension any community constituted by bonds of kinship, of common religion or ideology, of common socio-economic position, or of common race. The pure form is the complete extermination of every man, woman and child of the group. Examples include the complete extermination of the native Tasmanians and many Amerindian nations from Patagonia to Canada by European settlers in the 16th-19th century. The most notorious attempt was the Nazi “final solution of the Jewish question” in 1941-45. In April-May 1994, Hutu militias in Rwanda went about slaughtering the Tutsi minority, killing ca. 800,000, in anticipation of the conquest of their country by a Uganda-based Tutsi army. Though improvised and executed with primitive weapons, the Rwandan genocide made more victims per day than the Holocaust.
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    Hindus suffered such attempted extermination in East Bengal in 1971, when the Pakistani Army killed 1 to 3 million people, with Hindus as their most wanted target. This fact is strictly ignored in most writing about Hindu-Muslim relations, in spite (or rather because) of its serious implication that even the lowest estimate of the Hindu death toll in 1971 makes Hindus by far the most numerous victims of Hindu-Muslim violence in the post-colonial period. It is significant that no serious count or religion-wise breakdown of the death toll has been attempted: the Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi ruling classes all agree that this would feed Hindu grievances against Muslims.
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    Nandan Vyas (“Hindu Genocide in East Pakistan”, Young India, January 1995) has argued convincingly that the number of Hindu victims in the 1971 genocide was approximately 2.4 million, or about 80%. In comparing the population figures for 1961 and 1971, and taking the observed natural growth rhythm into account, Vyas finds that the Hindu population has remained stable at 9.5 million when it should have increased to nearly 13 million (13.23 million if the same growth rhythm were assumed for Hindus as for Muslims). Of the missing 3.5 million people (if not more), 1.1 million can be explained: it is the number of Hindu refugees settled in India prior to the genocide. The Hindu refugees at the time of the genocide, about 8 million, all went back after the ordeal, partly because the Indian government forced them to it, partly because the new state of Bangladesh was conceived as a secular state; the trickle of Hindu refugees into India only resumed in 1974, when the first steps towards islamization of the polity were taken. This leaves 2.4 million missing Hindus to be explained. Taking into account a number of Hindu children born to refugees in India rather than in Bangladesh, and a possible settlement of 1971 refugees in India, it is fair to estimate the disappeared Hindus at about 2 million.

  • liberalmeltdown

    And since you mention Italians and today was Columbus day, you can learn why Spain was desperate to find a new trading route to the east.
    .
    It was because their caravans were constantly raided by Muslim robbers, and in 1492 the last Muslim state in Spain fell after 700 years of rule by invading Muslims. I believe that’s colonialism.

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  • newfreedomblog

    Be careful, liberalmeltdown. Someone like neo-rationalist who now goes by exiledsomething or other, have sided with the anti-colonialist which Barack Obama represent. He even states this as fact in his own statement above, “Go ahead, flag me. I think Arabs have been treated pretty miserably by colonial powers and, most especially, by Israel.”
    .
    The anti-Colonialists like Obama and Exiled believe in the “Oppressor versus the Oppressed”. It is a way for them to justify their attacks against any of us who believe that most Muslims believe in attacking our country, our people, and most important our government. They want to see America knocked down a peg or two. To be placed on the same level as any of the other Muslim countries around the world. They want total chaos to reign around the world. Once total chaos is predominant, it is then that they can reform this country with their new doctrine of a one world order. A one world order where their ideas of neo-Socialism shall reign supreme.
    .
    But, the problem with that “hope for change” is that Muslims do not believe in that sort of governance. Muslims are basically from the old school of tyrants. They want to subject their people under the harshest laws of Sharia. To establish a great theocracy under the power and grip of one of their Imams or a religious zealot who will rule with an iron fist over all people. They want to see the day the world is ruled by the 13th Imam, the “Great One” who will bring about the total destruction of the world.
    .
    Two reasons can only be given for why someone like Exiled wants to see Muslims succeed in their jihad. Either they have been personally wronged in some way, and this is an avenue for them to seek out revenge. Or, they think by giving Muslims enough room to continue with their terrorists actions, the Muslims will create enough chaos to destabilize this country so that they can bring in their own perverted ideas of how we should live. If Exiled is honest with you, he will tell you he favors a neo-Socialist-like America. He has already gone on record supporting Muslims for what he perceives wrongs done to them over the years.

  • kevin

    Someone like neo-rationalist who now goes by exiledsomething or other, have sided with the anti-colonialist which Barack Obama represent.
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    I don’t know what’s funnier here — that a chronic schizophrenic like Rusty/Newfreedomblog/whoever else would make a snide comment about someone else making a name change … or that he thinks anti-colonialism is somehow a bad thing.
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    You know who else was an anti-colonialist, Rusty? The Founding Fathers. They were colonial subjects who went to war in order to gain their freedom from an imperial power.
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    Moron.

  • hippooath

    No need to be careful. You go ahead and use your first amendment rights to make this kind of kindergarden jig zaw puzzle with hammer, bandsaw and nails and I’ll keep enjoying my first amendment rights to skip right over the shriek, windmill flailing the sky is falling BS.
    .
    Eventually you’ll realize that anti-colonialism is a good thing. We don’t want to build empires – it’s a very un-American thing to do it and a very American thing to oppose. But you’re the real American so you should know.
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    Your knowledge about Islam and liberals is as accurate as my willingness to eat live things for money on television.

  • GivenUp

    Boy a mention of Muslims sure brings out the trolls, I wonder why that is?

  • destor23

    Okay, the content of the emails that liberalmeltdown describes would warrant some scrutiny of a military officer, there’s little doubt there.

    But the generalities that Thompson uses are disturbing to me. The view that the U.S. is at war with Muslims, for example, is a legitimate stance to take. I don’t share it, but it’s an argument that a person might make.

    The use of the phrase “Allah willing?” Really? I suppose we’re going to investigate anyone who uses the phrase “God willing” too?

    The belief that one’s religious faith takes precedence over their constitutional obligations? Again, I think it’s a problematic position but not one restricted to Muslims. We’ve certainly heard Christians say this before, including people proseletyzing within the armed services and we haven’t treated it like a crisis.

    None of this is to say that the premise — that there was a failure of intelligence here, is necessarily wrong. It could be undeniably correct for all I know. But we should be careful about what we flag as obvious warning signs.

  • Mark Thompson

    EAH — We can certainly debate how red the flags were. But this pair of stories following last year’s shootings at Fort Hood flesh out Hasan’s pro-Islamic words that some of his colleagues believed warranted further inquiry:

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1937334,00.html

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1940011,00.html

  • newfreedomblog

    “The use of the phrase “Allah willing?” Really? I suppose we’re going to investigate anyone who uses the phrase “God willing” too?”

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    I do believe it has a little more to do with it than just making a statement, “God willing”. Most people who use that phrase do not then in the second breath take out their AK-47′s and begin to kill people en-mass.
    .
    Just a tiny bit different I do believe.
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    When Muslims begin to shout out “Allah Akbar, kill all the liberal infidels”, don’t worry destor, those of us on the conservative side will be there to protect you.

  • newfreedomblog

    “I’ll keep enjoying my first amendment rights to skip right over the shriek, windmill flailing the sky is falling BS.”

    .
    Good. While you are skipping past my comments, how about grabbing onto little kevie’s hand, and both of you can skip-to-my-lou together. Hand in hand, happy as can be. Oh, and get patricksartor, IQ53, shepherdwrong, and a whole host of others just like you.
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    Skip, skip to your hearts content my friend.

  • 3xfire3

    I believe the murders committed by Major Nidal Hasan are a direct result of the “Political Correctness” that has been promoted and championed by the Left of our political system.
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    If you’re not Politically Correct the ACLU will come after you and drive you into bankruptcy unless you change your ways.
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    The obsession of the Left with “Political Correctness” in all phases of our lives, cause great harm to our society as a whole and to our country.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    A little thought would reveal that the number of times people use the phrase “Allah willing” compared to the number of times people open fire on innocents would suggest about as much correlation as sunny days and lighting strikes.
    .
    Unfortunately the human brain is wired to attach special significance to rare but important events. Islam is huge and terrorism is rare. Conflating the two is not only stupid, but tragic.

  • 11charlie

    “Several of Hasan’s colleagues suggsted he was permitted to remain in uniform because of a dire lack of Army psychiatrists.”
    .
    I believe that, since getting rid of Hasan would mean that his higher-ups would then have to find a replacement, at a time when warm bodies in certain MOS’s were hard to come by.

  • hippooath

    Free,
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    Perhaps I will. Wether we’re skipping or not it doesn’t of course change the fact that you’re utterly and fundamentally wrong.

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  • m0mentom0ri

    3x, what is your counter-proposal? That Muslims be barred from military service? Or how about banning Muslims from owning firearms (good luck with the NRA on that one)? What is you ‘politically incorrect’ fix for this problem?
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    I hear all this blame from guys like you, but I never hear any workable solutions. Talk is cheap.

  • m0mentom0ri

    Prior to the Moors, the Roman Empire ruled many of those same areas.
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    I’m glad were still suspicious of the Romans. They obviously can’t be trusted.
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    And don’t get me started on the Visigoths. No one likes them.

  • newfreedomblog

    I do believe we have a solution. Stop all the political correctness bull-crap for starters. Call a spade a spade. When a Muslim extremist is yelling out “Allah Akbar, kill all the infidels” make it a point to point them out for their crimes against humanity. We can go with the liberal meme that all other Muslims are peace loving, good Americans.
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    As a side note, if you protect them with the ACLU and your PC statements, it merely empowers those who wish us harm. Period.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    When I mentioned people using the Muslim world as an outlet for their anger, clearly I was referring to people like you, liberalmeltdown. Thank you so much for artfully demonstrating just how perverse and twisted anti-Islamic rage can be. Did you even notice how offended you became at the mere mention of sympathy with the Palestinians? Did you notice how rather than just accept that the Palestinians have, in fact, been colonized for 70 years of brutal occupation and accept that this is not morally justified, you instead launched into a list of other people who have been oppressed? This signifies one of two things: either you don’t want the Palestinians to be included in the list of oppressed peoples because that does not fit with your world-view of Muslims never being victims, or you’re aware that they belong on the list but would rather people talk about other injustices so as to not upset the delicate sensibilities of our Zionist allies. Either way, you’re a nutcase for your reaction. I never said that the treatment of the Palestinians is the epitome of inhumanity, I merely mentioned that it was an example. Yet, you protest? In what world do you reside? Ever visited Israel? Gaza? West Bank? Didn’t think so.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Rusty,
    Dude. Seriously. Your freakish obsession with blatantly misrepresenting my positions borders on a fetish. Seek help. My goal is to empower the Muslim world to knock America down so that I can implement my neo-socialist agenda? Wow. Stop looking under rocks for Communists, Rusty, that’s so 1980s. Your true enemy is Fascism. Abuse of power. Corruption. Authoritarianism. Be it Neocons such as Cheney or Statists such as Obama, expansion of federal power is something to be checked. Putting false labels on this, such as Communism or Socialism, sets you back. Just call it what it is, Rusty: abuse of power.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Mark Thompson,
    Thank you for responding and for adding supporting citations. I still must take issue with your use of language. Again, you used the term ‘pro-Islamic’ as your characterization of Maj. Hasan’s views. So, I must ask, is there something unnerving or potentially threatening about pro-Islamic comments? The comments you linked to seem more emblematic of an anti-war perspective, more emblematic of insubordination and comments unbecoming of an officer than they are simply pro-Islamic. “Pro-Islamic” is such a vast realm, a realm that includes countless perspectives that are based in benign religious conviction and simple compassion. Was it your intention to use a term that has no negative or threatening implications to describe Hasan’s views because you, like him, see the war on terror as a war against Islam? If you think we’re at war with Islam, then pro-Islamic sentiments would be a negative, right? If we’re not at war with Islam, then pro-Islamic sentiments is no different than pro-British sentiments or pro-Israeli sentiments, right? Shouldn’t you have been more specific about what precisely was a problem with Hasan’s comments? I happen to concur that some of the things he said are troubling coming from an officer in the US military. But they are more than mere pro-Islamic views, are they not Mark Thompson?

  • newfreedomblog

    Exiled:
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    Despite renouncing, (which is good by the way) your advocating for a neo-socialist/capitalism system for our country in the past, which you likened at the time to something like what China now has, I am glad you are refuting those desires now.
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    So far as anti-Colonialism is concerned. We both know that the end-result of those who have advocated for the end of anti-Colonialism has resulted directly in a form of government which we can call Socialism or Communism depending on which country you speak of. Think Venezuela, Kenya, or Vietnam just to name a few.
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    But, I am glad you are moving away from your socialist tendencies. This gives me hope for you.

  • newfreedomblog

    For my Muslim loving friend in the swamp.
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    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/al-qaeda-magazine-proud-traitor-and-tips-on-how-to-kill-americans/
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    AL-QAEDA MAGAZINE INCLUDES ‘PROUD TRAITOR’ AND ‘TIPS’ FOR KILLING AMERICANS
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    Just in case anyone has any doubt about what Muslims want to do to Americans. Enjoy!! :)

  • 3xfire3

    Moment and Newfreedom,
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    I hear all this blame from guys like you, but I never hear any workable solutions. Talk is cheap.
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    I agree with Newfreedom’s comments about solutions.
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    I also believe that we have gone to the extreme in PC.
    Liberals want everybody to have self-esteem at the expense of reality. We just need to be honest not always PC. I don’t mean purposely trying to hurt people, just to not go overboard on PC.
    .
    Example War on Terror….. A true statement of reality.
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    Overseas Contingency Operations…. which is a PC piece of Sh*t
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    A reporter stated that he was really disappointed that the Time Square boomer turned out to be a Muslim. He said he was really hoping it was someone other than a Muslim.
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    When Major Nidah Hasan killed many of his fellow soldiers, the President and the Administration could not even say it was a potential act of terror or that Hasan was possibly a terrorist. Got to be PC.
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    A judge lets a child molester off without jail time. The judge doesn’t think the child molester can get proper counseling if he is sent to prison.
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    I could go on all day with example of Political Correct Garbage that is harming our citizens and our country but I think you get the idea.

  • liberalmeltdown

    So, address the treatment of Coptics in Eygpt that has been going on for hundreds of years. Why don’t Muslims condemn it. Like I said, you give nothing, but you want room made for you. Muslims need many more statements like this:
    Finally – Muslim Leader Condemns Terrorism
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    http://www.corybernardi.com/2010/03/finally-muslim-leader-condemns-terrorism.html
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    As for Palestine, as long as groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are backed by Iran and other nations that call for the destruction of Israel, it creates an impossible situation.
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    Exiled takes an article about a terrorist that killed 13 on American soil, and wants to turn the discussion onto his agenda for Palestine. Trying to minimize the red flags from Hasan and then twisting the focus to: “go ahead flag me.” As if, there is an effort to flag all Muslims. Typical rhetoric.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    I’m not Muslim. I didn’t realize that anyone who speaks out on behalf of the 1+ billion Muslims in the world and takes the time to recognize that by and large Muslims are just as any other people must be himself a Muslim. So much for compassion, tolerance, and humanity. Pure tribalism is your game, I see.
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    As for your comments about me pushing an agenda, let me clear a few things up for you. Pointing out that Mark Thompson is very careless in his equating “pro-Islamic” comments with red-flags is by no means an agenda. I have no problems with the assertion that Maj. Hasan made comments that should have signaled a looming problem. What I take issue with, and what any reasonable person should take issue with, is the perspective that making positive comments about Islam is something to be viewed with skepticism. Substituting the phrase, “pro-Islamic” for something much more akin to “pro-militancy,” “anti-US” sentiments is a dangerous approach, one that continues the animosity and distrust between Islam and the West. Lest you yearn for a violent clash of civilizations, I suggest you begin viewing the Muslim world as an entity to be compromised with, not antagonized, and perhaps attempt to view situations through the lens that they might view them.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Rusty~
    As far as I can recollect, there are only three positions I hold/comments I have made that might lend credence to your delusions that I harbor or have harbored socialist tendencies.
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    1) Socialism is not evil, and philosophically speaking, is actually a well-intentioned ideology. I hold fast to this view, though I am realistic enough to understand that socialism is impractical and contrary to human nature and thus requires the authoritarian form of government, Communism, to implement, and therefore I reject the socialist philosophy.
    2) I do support universal health-care, though not on ideological grounds but on moral, religious, and philosophical justifications.
    3) I have pointed out that reflexive outrage at perceived “socialist” emergences in our government is a bit irrational given that we already have many socialized programs in this country that no one takes issue with, i.e. postal service, public schools, etc. The main point being not that I seek socialism, but that making socialism the focal point of your political diatribes makes little sense and actually redirects the conversation away from legitimate grievances of abuse of power in this country.
    ~
    On to anti-colonialism, you make a bold -and ultimately incorrect- statement that all countries that have opposed Colonialism have resulted in Communist regimes. This country, Rusty, was founded on strong anti-Colonial tenets and, contrary to what you may believe, we are not a Communist country. So, opposing colonialism has not always resulted in Communism, and even if it had, that does not suggest that anyone who opposes colonization is a Communist. Who the hell wants to be living under a colonial regime? Everyday rational people. That’s who.

  • apr2563

    The anti-colonial meme picked up by the right from the mighty intellects Newt Gingrich and D’Souza is one of their most hysterically funny.
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    Gosh, we must despise all the other anti-colonialists
    All the founding fathers
    Ghandi
    Mandela
    Anyone who fought against colonial power.
    Phillipines, India (D’Souza’s place of birth), Iran, Chile, Vietnam, Laos, China, Mexico, Haiti, etc.

  • liberalmeltdown

    “I suggest you begin viewing the Muslim world as an entity to be compromised with, not antagonized, and perhaps attempt to view situations through the lens that they might view them.”
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    Well that’s a problem, isn’t it. I am hard pressed to find examples of compromise on the part of Muslims. Blowing up works of art from other cultures surely isn’t an act of compromise. Maybe you can provide examples.

  • liberalmeltdown

    I’m not interested in your silly game of bait and condemn. If you are a Muslim, if you are not, my statements are still valid. I agreed with you that the article was lazy reporting. However, you took that and twisted it into an attempt to say there there is an effort to flag Muslims or as you call yourself a supporter. You can cheer for Muslims all you want. But, you cannot misrepresent that many if not all Islamic states are the most repressive in the world. In fact the more zealous the rulers are about Islam, the more repressive and tyrannical they are. I didn’t make them that way, nor did anyone else. It is a tradition in fanatical Islam to persecute. At least they don’t discriminate in their vile methods of torture and killing. Here’s some examples of intolerance:
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    http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/category/persecution-of-christians/
    The persecution of Christians in Pakistan is becoming very brutal and very deadly. A Christian man in Pakistan’s Punjab province is literally fighting for his life after Muslim leaders, backed by police, burned him alive for refusing to convert to Islam while his wife was raped by police officers.
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    http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2010/06/state_persecution_and_pakistans_ahmadi_sect
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    ON MAY 28th, during Friday prayers, two squads of gunmen entered a pair of mosques belonging to the Ahmadis, a minority Islamic sect, in Pakistan’s eastern city of Lahore. Methodically, they emptied AK-47s into the assembled worshippers, lobbed grenades and exploded suicide vests. Their rampage has claimed 95 lives to date. Our Pakistan correspondent writes about the perpetrators, the Punjabi Taliban.
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    http://mainfo.blogspot.com/2010/09/muslim-persecution-of-hindus-in-india.html
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    They are crossing the border illegally and violently displacing the indigenous population whose homes and possessions they either destroy or occupy. They are attacking the young, the elderly, and especially the girls and women, whom they kidnap, forcibly convert, or traffic into brothels.
    The locals are terrified of them. The police rarely come to their aid, nor do the politically correct media or government. Both are terrified by the criminals and terrorists who are riding these immigrant waves.
    I am not talking about illegal immigrants to Europe or North America. I am describing Muslims who are penetrating India’s West Bengal region.
    These Bangladeshi immigrants are becoming conduits for criminal activities (arms, drugs, and sexual slavery) which also fund global jihad.
    You won’t read about this in the Western mainstream media—or even in the Indian media, which has turned a blind eye to this ongoing tragedy because they are afraid to be labeled “politically incorrect” or “Islamophobic.” They are also afraid of reprisals.
    When Islamic zealots ransacked the office of the renowned newspaper, ‘The Statesman’ in Kolkata, in retaliation for a mere reproduction of an article condemning Islamic extremism, the Indian press remained silent.
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    http://www.angelfire.com/ab/jumma/religion.html
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    Throughout the CHT the mosque construction continues to take place. Loudly amplified calls to prayer frequently punctuates the lives of the Jumma people. The Bangladeshi authorities argue that their religious tolerance can be seen in Buddhist, Hindu and Christian Welfare Trust. One Chakma fellow said that he went to the Central Audit Bureau to seek support from the Welfare Fund and was told: “Why don’t you become a Muslim and we’ll all be brothers”. The most disturbing aspects of religious persecution in the CHT are the destruction of temples, prevention of worship, violence motivated by religious hatred and forcible conversion to Islam.

    There have been numerous incidents of forcible conversion in the CHT. Chakma women who marry Bangladeshis whether by choice or abducted by force, have to convert to Islam. The Jumma prisoners who are detained in Chittagong, Rangamati or Khagrachari jails are placed in cells with a majority of Muslims whose task it is to try and convert the Jumma persons. The Jummas who are captured by the Bangladeshi security forces are very often given the options of torture or conversion to Islam as a way to escape the suffering.

  • liberalmeltdown

    How about that tolerance of Muslims toward gays:
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    http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/muslim-leaders-agree-death-for-gays/
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    I go with what Islam teaches,” said Awadh A. Binhazim, who is listed on the Vanderbilt website as “Adjunct Professor of Islam at the Divinity School” and an adviser to the Muslim Student Association. His comments came earlier this week at a diversity event for students.

    He was asked directly, “Under Islamic law is it punishable by death if you are a homosexual?”

    Binhazim said, “Yes. It is punishable by death.”

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    If you’re trying to get me to refute that many Islamic states have repressive tendencies and bleak human rights record, you’re wasting your time. I am well aware of the social conditions under Islamic regimes. I am also aware of the troubling pattern of violent militantism among “radical Islamists” or whatever we’re calling them these days. None of this has anything to do with what I am speaking of. I am saying that it is wrong to apply such stereotypes to over a billion Muslims across the globe who don’t ascribe to these behaviors. “Radical Islamists” are not radical and violent because they are Muslims, they are radical and violent because they are “radical Islamists.”
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    You’re wildly off the mark in your assessment that western media doesn’t cover Islamic violence. It’s all we hear. Suicide bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan. Rocket attacks in Israel. Where is the coverage of the US airstrike that kills 23 members of a family at a wedding that precedes the the suicide attack? Where is the coverage of the continued Israeli blockade of Gaza -an act of war- which precipitates rocket attacks against Israel. Any and all coverage of Israeli war-crimes is buried. Wouldn’t want any allegations of Anti-Semitism now, would we? I find it hysterically nauseating that you would twist reality into a fear of alleged Isamophobia when in truth the media is terrified of being called Anti-Semitic. Arabs are far from perfect and have an atrocious record of human rights and of alienating popular opinion against them through extreme tactics. Yet, with regard to Palestine, at least, they are still the oppressed, still the subjugated, still the occupied. Israel has no moral ground to stand on given its 70 year history of violent, ethnically motivated policies.

  • liberalmeltdown

    You are preaching tolerance, compassion, and humanity towards Muslims and I am telling you that Islam is the most intolerant religion on earth. What about Islam’s view that gays should be killed. That’s not a regime. That’s what their clerics preach.

    I never said that all Muslims are violent. I am troubled that all the supposedly peaceful Muslims either don’t condemn the violence and hate either because they silently agree, or because of fear of being attacked. Either scenario is not a good one.

  • liberalmeltdown

    I see some very confused people here. Exiled, you now say that the US is anti-colonial? Apr, what are you talking about? Newt is anti-colonial, meme? Eh? You explain and we can go from there.
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    Meme the new overused and misunderstood liberal code word. Then there is colonial and anti-colonial. Geez.
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    Here is the history of the world. A society, a civilization, a community, a bunch of elites, a colony, whatever label you think is cool today for the man, the government, those in charge, those who try to rule over the rest of humanity. Either because they (the ruling class) think that they are superior, as we now have in the US, or they just want to use the poor peons as worker bees, as we now have in the US.
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    One exception: the United States before government initiated taxes, increased big government as savior, and therefore re- instituted indentured servitude. Prove me wrong.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Looks like you are a bit confused yourself, liberalmeltdown. I never said the US is anti-Colonial. I said she was founded on anti-Colonial tenets, you know declaring independence from Great Britain and all that. But, whatever you want to rant about, go ahead. Colonialism and empire! Run with it.

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