Hey Soldier — The President Wants You…To Get Your Money

Only one in four Americans trusts the federal government — no wonder soldiers who were “stop-lossed” into staying in uniform longer than their official enlistment period aren’t rushing to pocket the thousands of dollars they’re owed. So the government is rolling out the commander-in-chief to warn the troops the deadline for claiming their retroactive bonuses is rapidly approaching.

“Some veterans think this is some sort of gimmick or scam, or it’s some way for the government to call you back to service,” President Obama said in a video message released Wednesday. “Nothing could be further from the truth. As your commander in chief, I am here to tell you that this is no gimmick or trick. You worked hard; you earned this money.” The use of what was often called a “back-door draft” angered many soldiers who — counting on the end of their enlistment to begin school or get married — found their plans derailed.

Fewer than half the troops eligible for the bonus bucks — $500 for every month a soldier’s enlistment was involuntarily extended, largely to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq — have applied for them. Despite using everything from veterans groups to bloggers and direct mailings, only about 58,000 of the 145,000 people eligible have applied as the Oct. 21 deadline looms. So only about $219 million of the $534 million set aside for the stop-loss bonuses has been paid out. Most former troops are pocketing about $4,000 — not small change in the middle of a recession.

For the thousands of Swampland readers who have yet to apply, you can do so here.

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  • Paul-no not that one

    What are the numbers of “stop-loss” soldiers currently?
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    And how does that compare to other recent years?
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    Is there a source to find that?

  • deconstructiva

    I wonder why a claim is needed? It’s their money, so why not just mail them out or if they’re in the field have funds credited to a bank account or handed to them by their superiors?

  • Paul-no not that one

    That is a really good question.

  • afguy

    I got out in 1988 – I had never heard of “Stop-Loss”.
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    I suspect it’s a relatively recent development. (Iraq-era policy?)
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    That’s when the mismatch between force requirements to support the operation and enlistment rates became critical, otherwise it wouldn’t have been needed.
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    And I don’t understand the need to apply either. It’s not like they can’t find you when they want to.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Stop-loss and stop-move policies that bar the reassignment, voluntary separation and retirement of soldiers in deployed and mobilized units have been in effect since November 2002 for reservists and June 2004 for active-duty soldiers.”
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    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/05/army_stoploss_050308/

  • Paul-no not that one

    As to the numbers this is from last year -
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    “The Army, the only service still using the program, still has 9,600 Soldiers serving involuntarily beyond their resignation or retirement date, Sam Retherford, the Defense Department’s director of officer and enlisted personnel management, said during an Oct. 29, “DoDLive” bloggers roundtable”
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    http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/11/03/29751-army-reduces-stop-loss-numbers-as-pentagon-begins-payments/

  • Paul-no not that one

    Sorry this is from 8-8-10.
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    “The practice known as “stop loss” affected more than 15,000 troops at its peak in 2005 and has been cut to about 4,000.”
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    http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2010-08-06-1Astoploss06_ST_N.htm
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    I’ll stop spamming the tread now.

  • afguy

    Like many other things, this affects more than just the soldiers involved.
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    Victims of this policy have a tendency to take about this to others, in some cases, other potential enlistees.
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    One gets a little uneasy about making plans around a “three-year” contract if it’s known that one side can modify the terms of the agreement at the last minute so that the stated duration of the contract is basically meaningless.

  • conversets

    EXACTLY! Send ‘em the damn checks!

  • shepherdwong

    Yep. They’re mostly kids who haven’t got much experience navigating bureaucracies and I hear they’ve been kind of busy. Why does the military make them “apply” for pay they’ve earned?

  • balaamish

    Amen, afguy.

    It’s also the kind of shameful practice that helps derail the occasional call (from C. Rangel and others) for compulsory national service: who’s willing to serve a government that is likely to stick it to you?

  • afguy

    Yeah, like the smarmy Pentagon spokesman who, when they were trotting out “Stop Loss”, basically told the “victims” that it was their own fault for not reading the “fine print” in the enlistment contract.
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    I’ve not forgotten that one… not sure I ever will.

  • afguy

    Didn’t used to be that way. Oh, they’d try that every once in a while but the ranks would rise up and tell them “if you can find me when something bad is happening… you sure as h*ll can find me when it’s something good for me too.”
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    This is just modern bureaucratic BS.

  • afguy

    That spokesman was one Lt Col I would like to personally punch out.

  • scooterfox

    afguy, there is a point to that, though… always read what you sign.

    then again, the military has been recruiting people who CANT read what the sign, lately.

  • afguy

    scooterfox,
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    No, they listen to the recruiter promises.
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    When I enlisted, my brother was already in and those were the first words of advice he gave me – to take recruiter promises with, not just a “grain of salt”, but the whole d@mn shaker.
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    NO ONE reads the entire enlistment contract and, even if your contract stated “3 years – without exception”, and in THOSE words, I’m pretty sure that, in times of “national emergency” (as defined by ???), no enlistment contract in the military is worth the paper it’s printed on.

  • scooterfox

    –and recruiter promises are just as trustworthy as any salesman…

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  • afguy

    –and recruiter promises are just as trustworthy as any salesman…
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    Maybe less so? Doubt that many of the new recruits have a written record of promises made by their respective recruiters and, regardless, I’m pretty sure said recruiters are probably protected from lawsuits. (performance of official duties?)

  • Paul-no not that one

    Way to respect the topic.
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    Troop hater.

  • kevin

    That’s her big problem? An unelected Democratic candidate, who is running a longshot campaign in a solidly red district and will never win, wants Pelosi to step aside? Boy, I’m sure she’s cowering in fear.
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    And moreover, as Paul said, congratulations on showing your true colors. Ignore the troops, there are petty partisan shots to be made.

  • beelkay

    Exactly! Why should they have to apply for bonuses that are owed to them? Surely the military/government has all the necessary information.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Apparently the US military is just like every other employer. Seems that every job I land, I find some sneaky policy in place to screw workers out of their earnings. At my current job, anything over 40 hours a week is overtime with time and a half pay, but, we are on a two-week pay period, so if you don’t clear 80 for two-weeks, no overtime. If I work 43 hours one week, but follow up with 37 the next, I get paid 80 hours, nevermind that within one of those work weeks I had 3 hours of overtime. I’ve come to expect such tactics from civilian employers. To hear that our government engages in the same petty schemes to swindle our military personnel out of their dues is truly sad to hear. Any idea how long this policy of personnel being required to formally claim their bonuses has been in practice? Any time you require forms, paperwork, or manual enrollment in a program, the number of participants shrinks. This is a shady manipulation of that tendency.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Neo, I do some of the payroll at work and I’m pretty sure that isn’t kosher.
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    “An employer who requires or permits an employee to work overtime is generally required to pay the employee premium pay for such overtime work. Employees covered by the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) must receive overtime pay for hours worked in excess of 40 in a workweek of at least one and one-half times their regular rates of pay.”
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    There exceptions but as a rule it is week based not pay period based.
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    http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/overtimepay.htm

  • sacredh

    “For the thousands of Swampland readers who have yet to apply, you can do so here.”

    Thousands? You’re kidding.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Well, if you count the automatons who Drudge-link their way here from time to time…

  • sacredh

    Seriously, do you really believe that thousands of people read the swamp?

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Nope. I was just joking around about our periodic 1000+ comment threads.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Yes, I was pretty certain it goes week-by-week, not pay period. But, everyone seems alright with the arrangement and I’m a bit too new to be rocking the boat.

  • sacredh

    Mark said “For the thousands of Swampland readers who have yet to apply”. To me that would imply that many thousands of active military read the swamp and if you extrapolate on non-military, that would be tens of thousands. I have a hard time believing more than a thousand total and I think that’s incredibly optimistic.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Neo-just keep it in your pocket for the Class Action when you leave.
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    Sacred I’m pretty sure that was Mark Thompson’s way of insulting -I mean teasing-his readers.
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    When in doubt assume contempt the reader.
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    P.S. hope you are feeling better.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    I’ll keep that in mind, PNNTO. Nothing like a good class action to demonstrate one’s Americaness.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Or incredibly delusional.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Here to help.

  • sacredh

    Pnnto, thank you. I am feeling much better. He prescribed a Z-Pak of anti-biotics and some decongestants. I’m almost back to normal?
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    Exiled, be sure to keep every one of your pay stubs with the hours worked. Paul’s right. Unless you’re on salary, the only real way they can bone you is if your pay week ends on Saturday at midnight (or whatever day they base their week on) and you work past midnight. Then they can legally claim it was a different pay week. I used to be heavily involved with the union and know a little bit about this stuff. The two week pay period is for accounting purposes only. You’re right not to rock boat as a new employee. They might decide to can you for a reason that appears to be completely unrelated to any question of pay. Of course it would be, but they wouldn’t risk that.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    Way ahead of you, I have all my pay-stubs and my hourly print-outs by day. Perhaps, I’ll unionize the workforce at some point in time. ;)

  • Paul-no not that one

    Very happy to read that Sacred. As long as your -I’m guessing here-hunt and peck fingers work that’s really all that matters.
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    Neo, aren’t we (Sacred and I) Lefties helpful?
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    (That wasn’t called for, oh well.)

  • sacredh

    Pnnto, I use about all of my fingers typing and don’t look at the keyboard. That would help explain the large number of mistakes I make. I took a typing class in high school because the teacher was hotter than all get out and wore skirts. She put up with me because I was her connection. Good God, I should have been in jail.

  • GivenUp

    I’m kinda hoping it was an attempt at humor, the other alternatives are a bit depressing

  • sacredh

    I just had a disturbing vision of a guy standing on a soapbox telling people “I’d like to thank all of my fans for coming to see me” and the people walking by wondering “Who the hell is that?”.
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    I’ll go to bed on that note.

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    PNNTO,
    Helpful? Eh, I’d go with necessary evil.
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    Nah, seriously, I really don’t have a problem with you “Lefties” on an individual level, don’t even really care too much about Leftie politics. It’s more far-left, in my perspective, socialites that annoy me.dsav

  • Exiled_At_Home (formerly Neo)

    PNNTO,
    Helpful? Eh, I’d go with necessary evil.
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    Nah, seriously, I really don’t have a problem with you “Lefties” on an individual level, don’t even really care too much about Leftie politics. It’s more far-left, in my perspective, socialites that annoy me.

  • Mark Thompson

    No kidding (wink)!

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